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THANK YOU. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. I'M KEN LOWERY, YOUR CHAIRMAN OF THE JEFFERSON COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND MY FELLOW CHAIR'S HERE WITH ME TODAY, SO I'D LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO THE MAY 12TH, 2026 PUBLIC HEARING OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. AND IT'S 1:00, MAYBE A MINUTE AFTER. BY THE WAY, THAT CLOCK'S FAST ANYWAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN OUR SCHEDULED MEETING. IF YOU HAVE ANY ELECTRONIC DEVICES, PHONES OR I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS BEEPERS OR PAGERS ANYMORE, BUT JUST PUT THEM ON SILENT, PLEASE. BECAUSE IF YOU. IT PLAYS MUSIC. YOU HAVE TO GET UP AND DANCE FOR US TO THE MUSIC. SO NOT REALLY MAYBE. ALL RIGHT, SO THIS COMMISSION IS CHARGED WITH REGULATING THE SUBDIVISION OF PROPERTY IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF JEFFERSON COUNTY. AND THE LEGAL DEFINITION OF SUBDIVISION IS A DIVISION OF LAND INTO TWO OR MORE LOTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEVELOPMENT OR SALE. AND YOU MAY SEE ON THE AGENDA THE MAJORITY OF OUR CASES INVOLVE DIVISION OF PROPERTIES INTO FOUR LOTS OR LESS. WE DON'T USUALLY HAVE REALLY BIG ONES, SO ON OUR AGENDA, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS FOR EACH SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR SUBDIVISION HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED BY MAIL. IN ADDITION, THERE WERE LEGAL ADVERTISEMENTS PUBLISHED AND SIGNS WERE POSTED ON THE AFFECTED PROPERTIES CONTAINING FIVE OR MORE LOTS. SO LIKELY IF IT WAS FOUR LOTS OR LESS, THERE WASN'T A SIGN POSTED. SO THE COMMISSION IS ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR ADMINISTERING THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENTS. YOU'LL BE HEARING SOME OF THAT TODAY. WE'RE GOING TO BE CONSIDERING THOSE. AND WE ALSO EVALUATE REZONING CASES FOR THEIR CONSISTENCY WITH THE PLANNING POLICIES AND ZONING REGULATIONS AS THEY PERTAIN TO THE AREAS IN THE UNINCORPORATED THE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF JEFFERSON COUNTY. WE ALSO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION, WHICH MAKES FINAL DECISIONS ON REZONING CASES. SO SUBDIVISION CASES, WE MAKE THE DECISION HERE. WE DECIDE TO APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE IS FINAL HERE.
REZONING CASES. WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND THEY MAKE THE FINAL DECISION. AND PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500FT OF EACH ZONING CASE HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED BY MAIL. IN ADDITION, ALSO, LEGAL ADVERTISEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE AND SIGNS ARE POSTED ON THE AFFECTED PROPERTIES AND PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY WE WILL CONDUCT OUR PROCEEDINGS IN ACCORDANCE WITH FAIR HOUSING LAWS. THE FAIR HOUSING ACT PROHIBITS DISCRIMINATION IN HOUSING BASED ON RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, SEX, FAMILIAL STATUS, NATIONAL ORIGIN, DISABILITY, FINANCIAL STATUS, OUR HOUSING ARRANGEMENTS. THE COMMISSION IS COMMITTED TO ENSURING FAIR, LAWFUL AND EQUITABLE LAND USE PRACTICES IN ALL MATTERS THAT COME BEFORE US. COULD WE GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? HERE. JAY MILLER HERE, CHRISTIE HERE. JOSEPH ANDREWS PRESENT HERE.
CHRIS GRAY HERE. KEENAN MCMURRAY HERE. STEVE HERE. EDWARD BROWN HERE, MR. CHAIRMAN.
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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO. NEXT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR PREVIOUS FEBRUARY 12TH, 2026 MEETING? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES AND ADOPT THE MARCH 12TH, 2020 SIX MINUTES AS PRESENTED. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION, A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN WITH THE ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA. EACH CASE WILL BE PRESENTED INDIVIDUALLY WITH TIME ALLOTTED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. AND ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK. I'LL RECOGNIZE YOU AND ASK YOU TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM. AND BEFORE YOU SAY ANYTHING ELSE, TELL US WHAT YOUR NAME IS AND WHAT YOUR ADDRESS IS. PLEASE. AND IF YOU FORGET, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. WE'LL LET YOU KNOW IF YOU MISS IT SO. AND I MAY MISS IT AND THEN SOMEBODY WILL LET ME KNOW. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. MR. CHAIRMAN, EXCUSE ME JUST A MINUTE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO MY MOTION ON THE MINUTES. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE, EXCEPT SUSPEND THE RULES AND APPROVE AND ACCEPT THE MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 12TH, 2026 MEETING. I MISTAKENLY SAID TODAY. OH, OKAY.ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL SECOND. ALL RIGHT. SO I HAVE A SECOND A MOTION A SECOND FOR THE CORRECT DATE OF THE MEETING MINUTES. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.
GOOD TO WATCH YOU. OKAY, SO LET'S SEE. SO ANYWAY, I'M I'LL GO THROUGH THE CASES, AND IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO. I'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO SPEAK UP FOR THOSE. SO WE'RE
[S-26-0006 North Highland Baptist Church, owner; Mary Overby, agent; North Highland Baptist Church Survey, Two (2) lots proposed. Property zoned A-1 (Agriculture) & City of Warrior Zoning. PID#s 0300233000011000, 0300233000012001, 0300233000015001, 0300234000029000, 0300234000037002 in section 23 / Township 14 / Range 3 W. (Site addresses 9622 & 9664 Cooper Drive; 201 Dana Road; 670 Pecan Street, Warrior, AL 35180)(10.47 acres +/-)]
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MY PLACE A LITTLE BIT. SO I'M GOING TO START WITH THE THE FIRST CASE IT'S CASE NUMBER S 26 0006. APPLICANT IS MARY OVERBY. THE REQUEST IS NORTH HIGHLAND BAPTIST CHURCH SURVEY.TWO LOTS PROPOSED AND I GOT TURN THE PAGE AND THIS IS AT 9622 AND 9664 COOPER DRIVE AND 201 DANA ROAD AND 670 PECAN STREET IN WARRIOR. IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS SUBDIVISION CASE? IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? I'M NOT THE APPLICANT. I'M SORRY. I'M NOT THE APPLICANT. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? OKAY. IF YOU DO COME BACK TO THE PODIUM, WE GOT TO START OFF WITH THE FORMALITIES. NAME AND ADDRESS. JOEL KIMBROUGH AT 9687 COOPER DRIVE. WELCOME. SO THIS WAS KIND OF NEWS TO US. EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH WITH THE COOPER DRIVE PROPERTY. AND I GUESS THAT'S THE TWO TWO LOTS THERE THAT ARE OUT TO THE LEFT. WHAT THEIR INTENTION IS THERE.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU DEALT WITH SUBDIVISION IN UNINCORPORATED JEFFERSON COUNTY. YES. WE'RE IN WE'RE IN INCORPORATED WARRIOR. SO YOU ARE. BUT THESE PARCELS ARE NOT. YOU'LL SEE ANDREW SHOWING. SO WE DEAL WITH PROPERTY THAT'S INSIDE THE COUNTY OR NOT IN THE CITY OF WARRIOR THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF WARRIOR IS IT NOT ON THE STREET OR SMTP SERVER LASER POINTER. GREEN IS JEFFERSON COUNTY COURT ROOM. SO THEY'RE LIKE AN ISLAND OF JEFFERSON COUNTY IN THE MIDDLE OF WARRIOR. OKAY, SO THE, THE, THE, THE LOT ON THE WEST SIDE, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT WAS NOT PART OF THE, THE WHAT IS IT? NORTH HIGHLAND CHURCH PROPERTY. I GUESS IT IS NOW. WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A COUPLE OF THESE MEETINGS IN WARRIOR. AND THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WERE PRESENTED THERE. I DON'T THINK THE MAYOR IS HERE. I THOUGHT THE MAYOR WAS COMING. PLEASE. YES, YES, THIS IS BACK IN THE MAP. RIGHT. YOU SEE THESE GREEN PARCELS, THE UNINCORPORATED AREA. THIS IS WHERE THE CHURCH IS. RIGHT HERE. WELL, I THINK IT'S DOWN NOW, RIGHT. THE OTHER TWO PIECES ARE NOT THESE ARE NOT CHURCH PROPERTY. THEY'RE JUST ACROSS THE ROAD. IT'S DARK. THIS DARK LINE IS THE CHURCH'S PROPERTY THERE. THE TWO LOTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, ESSENTIALLY, THEY'RE COMBINING A BUNCH OF TRACKS TOGETHER. THIS IS B LOT ONE RIGHT HERE, THE LARGER PIECE. AND THERE'S A LOT TWO. IT'S A SURVEY OF EXISTING LOT. THAT IS IT HAS TO BE RESURVEYED AND A LOT OF RECORDS. OKAY, SO THAT WOULD BE THE SECOND ONE RIGHT THERE. SORRY ABOUT THE SO SO THIS BOTTOM, THIS BOTTOM PARCEL ON THE RIGHT HERE. NOW WHERE YOU'RE WHERE YOU'RE, YOU'RE WHERE YOUR POINTER WAS PREVIOUSLY OVER THERE ON THE GREEN PART IS THAT NOT HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, ONLY THAT IT'S ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY, ONLY THAT IT'S NEXT TO THE PROPERTY. WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY HAD BOUGHT THAT TOO, AND THAT THEY WERE SWAPPING IT. THERE WAS A IT'S HARD TO SEE ON THIS ONE. HERE'S A SMALL PIECE. YES, I THINK IT WAS A LAMP OFF FROM HERE. AND THIS TRIANGLE, THIS OWNER TOOK THIS RECTANGLE AND THE CHURCH TOOK THAT SHRINE SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THAT CONNECTION TO.
BECAUSE THAT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING AND ALL THAT IS OKAY, WE COULD DO THAT. THAT HAPPENED IN THE COUNTY THAT WOULD REQUIRE COUNTY EMAIL. OKAY. SO THE REASON THAT WE DON'T SEE THE ADDITIONAL LAND ON DANA ROAD BEING IS BECAUSE IT'S IN THE CITY OF WARRIOR.
THAT'S CORRECT. AND IT'S NOT A PART OF IT. YES, SIR. AND IT'S ALSO IN THE CITY, I GUESS.
SOMETHING IN THE WORLD DID THAT HAPPEN? WELL, THERE'S ONLY THREE PIECES THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE CITY WARRIORS THAT THE ANNEXATION PROCESS IS VERY. I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT THESE PARCELS ARE NOT. SO ARE WE. AND AND WE WERE NOT PRESENTED THAT WAY AT THE WARRIOR COUNCIL MEETINGS. AND HE MIGHT CORRECT ME, BUT I THOUGHT THEY WERE SWAPPING THE PARCEL THAT WE SEE FOR THE PIECES THAT WERE IN THE CITY OF WARRIOR. THEY'RE. SO I WAS JUST GOING TO PAUSE FOR A SECOND. BY ANY CHANCE, ARE YOU THE APPLICANT FOR THIS? YEAH. I KNOW YOU CAME IN LATE. I'M
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GOING TO JOIN HIM FOR THE HONOR. I'M ALSO THE MAYOR. OKAY. SORRY. I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE. WHAT.HANG ON, HANG ON, HANG ON, HANG ON. THIS IS MY MEETING. OKAY? CAN YOU CORRECT. WELL, NO, BUT I'LL LET HIM HAVE A CHANCE TO COME UP. I JUST, IF HE WAS THE PROPERTY OWNER WE HAD, WE COULD LET THEM ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS FOR US. SO. BUT SINCE YOU'RE NOT WELL, YOU'LL STILL GET YOUR TURN. OKAY, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN ANSWER FOR YOU, SIR? WELL, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE WHAT USAGE, WHAT THE USAGE IS AND WHAT WHAT THE. WELL, I MEAN, THE ZONING IS GOING TO BE. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT REZONING ANYTHING. WELL, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE CHANGING THE LOT LINES. I MEAN, WE'RE COMBINING THEM. RIGHT. ANDREW. WHAT'S A GOOD SUMMARY? YEAH. SO THE, THE TOTALITY, THERE'S A NUMBER OF IT'S A BRIEF SURVEY OF ONE LOT. IT'S ALSO THE COMBINATION OF MULTIPLE ACRES. THERE'S, THERE'S ONE, TWO, THREE ACRES TRACKS, A PART OF A LOT OF RECORDS. AND WE SURVEY THAT INTO ONE LOT OF TWO DAYS WITH TWO LOTS OF RECORDS. SO.
AND WHERE WERE THE THE TWO LOTS B ON THIS THIS PRELIMINARY PROPOSED PLAN HERE. YOU SEE THIS THIS DARK LINE. YES, SIR. THIS IS WHERE THE DIVISION BETWEEN LOT ONE, LOT TWO, LOT TWO BEING SMALL. CORRECT. THAT'S THE REMNANT PORTION OF THE EXISTING LOT. AND THE REST OF IT HAS ALL BEEN SURVEYED AT ONE LOT. TYPICALLY YOU SEE THIS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE PUTTING INTO A LOT OF RECORDS WHEN IT'S A LARGE PROPERTY, HAS MULTIPLE ACRES FOR LEGAL PURPOSES. WILL THEY BE EASIER TO TRACK BUSSES? THIS WILL BE A RECORD OF PROBATE VERSUS JUST A RANDOM SURVEY, BUT NOT NECESSARILY RECORDED, PARTICULARLY TO SEE IF THE LIGHT COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, LARGE INDUSTRIAL PROJECTS, SOMETIMES INSTITUTIONAL CHURCHES. WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS. NOPE, THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE. I MEAN, ONLY THEY APPLIED. OKAY. I MEAN, MY BEST RECOMMENDATION IS GO BY THE CHURCH AND ASK THEM. SO I MEAN, BECAUSE I MEAN, BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY IMPACT ON WHETHER WE ALLOW THEM TO COMBINE THEIR LOTS LIKE THIS. AND THEY'RE NOT PRESENT TODAY, SIR. THEY'RE NOT PRESENT TODAY. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ARE THEY IF THEY IF THEY ARE, THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT SPEAKING UP. I RESERVE MY TIME FOR. IF I FIND OUT ANYTHING ELSE I'D LIKE TO ASK. NO, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS AND MOVE ON. SO BUT IF THEY SHOW UP, YOU CAN ASK THEM, OKAY, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE AND ASK THEM, OKAY, OKAY. BECAUSE ONCE WE ONCE WE HEAR THIS ONE, WE'LL BE DONE. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS AND SORRY WE COULDN'T HAVE BETTER ANSWERS FOR YOU. SO WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS SUBDIVISION CASE, MR. MAYOR, PERHAPS. I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD. I MEAN, EVERYTHING THAT I'VE SEEN HERE IN A FEW MINUTES. I'VE BEEN HERE. OKAY. AGREES WITH OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HAPPENED. IF YOU WANT TO TALK MORE, I NEED YOU TO COME UP AND GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS. I'M NOT DISCOURAGING. I'M JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW A PROCESS. I'M. I AM THE MAYOR, BUT I JUST BECAME THE MAYOR IN NOVEMBER. AND WHEN ALL OF THIS WENT THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS, I WAS JUST AN ORDINARY CITIZEN WHO WAS IN AN ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER. YOUR HONOR, IF YOU WOULD, WOULD YOU GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS, TOO, PLEASE? YES. FOR THE RECORD, I ACTUALLY OWN FIVE LOTS THERE ON THE STREET. MY MAIN RESIDENCE IS 9639 COOPER DRIVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT EVERYTHING THERE AGREES WITH WHAT THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. APPROVED AS FAR AS THE REZONING. AND. AND I DID SPEAK WITH ONE OF THE CHURCH OFFICIALS LAST WEEK, AND EVERYTHING HE TOLD ME AGREES WITH THE TOTAL UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S JUST COMBINING THESE PARCELS INTO ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY. IS THAT CORRECT? WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON TODAY? THAT'S THE THAT'S THE BIG SUMMARY. YES.
OKAY. I'M SORRY. WELL, YEAH, THERE'S TWO PARCELS NOT THERE. THEY'RE THEY'RE MAKING TWO PARCELS OUT OF ALL THESE PARCELS. OKAY. SO I THINK IS IT A TOTAL OF FOUR PARCELS TOGETHER TO START WITH. AND OF COURSE HAVE THE TAX PARCELS. RIGHT. ONE BEING PART OF A LOT OF RECORDS. YEAH. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FOR US. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE REGARDING THIS CASE? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. ALL RIGHT. MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT CASE NUMBER S DASH 20 6-0006 BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED SECOND. ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. MOTION PASSES. I FORGOT TO SAY THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SUBDIVISION CASES. BUT IF YOURS HAS BEEN
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HEARD, YOU'RE WELCOME. IT'S NOT RUDE OR ANYTHING. YOU CAN GET UP AND HEAD OUT OR YOU CAN STAY FOR THE GOOD SHOW THAT WE HAVE TODAY. SO EITHER WAY, EITHER WAY WORKS. ALL RIGHT. SO OUR[S-26-0008 Martha and William Blackburn, owners; Blackburn 3 Lot Subdivision, Three (3) lots proposed. Property zoned A-1 (Agriculture). PID# 0300143000007000 in section 14 / Township 14 / Range 3 W. (Site address 8100 Rouse Road, Warrior, AL 35180)(33.22 acres +/-)]
NEXT SUBDIVISION CASE IS S 26 0008. THE APPLICANT WILLIAM BLACKBURN. THE REQUEST IS BLACKBURN THREE LOT SUBDIVISION THREE LOTS PROPOSED AT 8100 ROUSE ROAD IN WARRIOR. IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS SUBDIVISION CASE? IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT CASE S DASH 20 6-0008 BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU.[S-26-0009 Priscilla & Charles Wilson; Keri Bush, owners; Steven Allen, agent; Pop’s Old Garden, Two (2) lots proposed. Property zoned A-1 (Agriculture). PID#s 4200302000006005, 4200302000006014 in section 32 / Township 20 / Range 4 W. (Site addresses 4822 & 4860 Bob Brill Road, Bessemer 35022)(4.48 acres +/-)]
OUR NEXT SUBDIVISION CASE IS S 26 0009. STEPHEN ALLEN IS THE APPLICANT. THE REQUEST IS POP'S OLD GARDEN. TWO LOTS PROPOSED. AND THIS IS AT 4822 AND 4860 BOB BRILL ROAD AND BESSEMER. IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS SUBDIVISION CASE? ARE YOU THE APPLICANT? OKAY. OKAY.ALL RIGHT. GOOD. SO THANK YOU. THE HEARING NO OPPOSITION. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THE CASE S DASH 20 6-0009 BE APPROVED WITH THE WAIVER OF THE ONE ACRE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR LOT TWO AND AN EXCEPTION TO THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS TO ALLOW LOT TWO TO BE RECORDED WITH NO ROAD FRONTAGE. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO HERE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENTS WITH THEIR COMPANION REZONING CASES. NO, WE GOT ONE MORE CASE, KEN. NUMBER 1010. OKAY. MY APOLOGIES. MY AGENDA IS NOT UP TO DATE. FORGIVE ME. I GOTTA GO TO A DIFFERENT NOTEBOOK HERE. OKAY. WE DO HAVE ONE MORE SUBDIVISION CASE. IT'S S 26
[S-26-0010 Nicholas Hollis and Charlie Turner, owners; Abigail Hollis, agent; Hollis Plat No. 1, Two (2) lots proposed. Property zoned A-1 (Agriculture). PID#s 2000121000004000, 2000121000004001 in section 12 / Township 17 / Range 5 W. (Site address 5020 Bluff Creek Road, Adamsville, AL 35005)(35.6 acres +/-)]
0010. THE APPLICANT IS ABIGAIL HOLLIS. THIS IS A. TO DIVIDE AN ACREAGE TRACK INTO TWO LOTS OF RECORD FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. AND THE ADDRESS IS 5020 BLUFF CREEK ROAD, ADAMSVILLE. IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO THIS CASE? I'M GUESSING YOUR APPLICANT. I'M HER HUSBAND. OH, THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH. SO DO YOU. ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? THERE IS ONE THING. IF YOU DO BEFORE YOU START, NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. FOR THE RECORD, IT WOULD BE FOR 5020 BLUFF CREEK RIDGE OUT OF ALABAMA, NOT ROAD. OKAY. DID YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME TOO, NICHOLAS HOLLIS. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I WAS ASKING. I NOTICED ON HERE THAT THE THE ADDRESS IS 5020 BLUFF CREEK ROAD, BUT THE ACTUAL ADDRESS IS 5020 BLUFF CREEK RIDGE, ADAMSVILLE, ALABAMA. OKAY. OKAY. ANDREW, ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO ABOUT THAT FOR HERE? NO, WE STILL HAVE BORISLAV'S OVER THERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO SO WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THIS CASE? COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT CASE NUMBER S DASH 20 6-0010 BE APPROVED, SUBJECT TO THE CORRECTION OF THE ADDRESS AS SO MENTIONED BY THE APPLICANT'S COUSIN. ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I'M SORRY. DON'T WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE HERE. ALL RIGHT. AGAIN, I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. THAT ONE CASE HAS GOT ME THROWN. I GOTTA GET MY GET MY GET MY MOJO. GET BACK IN THE[LUA-2026- 001 Rusk MHP LLC, owner; Peter Pratti, agent; request Minor land use map amendment to the “Mixed Residential” designation. Property zoned C-1 (Commercial). PID# 1300142001014000 in section 14/ Township 16/ Range 2 W. (Site address 4340 Pinson Valley Parkway, Birmingham, 35215)(8.6 Acres +/-)]
ZONE. SO NOW WE ARE GOING TO HEAR LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENTS WITH THEIR COMPANION REZONING CASES. OUR STAFF IS GOING TO PRESENT THE CASE TO THE COMMISSION. THEN I'LL CALL FOR OPPOSITION AND THE APPLICANT OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVE MAY BE ALSO ASKED TO COME FORWARD TO[00:20:01]
THE PODIUM TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND WE DO KEEP A 15 MINUTE LIMIT FOR EACH SIDE FOR THE DISCUSSIONS AND QUESTIONS. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. I DON'T THINK THESE ARE TOO DIFFICULT TODAY. SO OUR FIRST LAND USE AMENDMENT CASE IS L U A. I THINK THAT STANDS FOR LAND USE AMENDMENT DASH 2026-001. THE APPLICANT IS PETER PRATT. I HOPE I GOT THAT RIGHT. AND IT'S A MINOR LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT TO THE MIXED RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION. THE ADDRESS IS 4347 VALLEY PARKWAY. CONNIE I'LL LET YOU GO AHEAD WITH THE. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. AS YOU SAID, THERE'S WE HAVE A A MOBILE HOME PARK THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE C ONE ZONE DISTRICT COMMERCIAL. THAT'S NO LONGER ALLOWED. AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE BY REZONING TO R5B FOR MOBILE HOME PARKS, IN ORDER FOR A PARCEL TO BE REZONED TO A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT, IT HAS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. AND IN THIS CASE, THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS EMPLOYMENT AND CIVIC, AND THE PROPOSED REZONING OF THIS PARCEL IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THAT. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE ZONING PENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION B AGREEMENT BE REZONED. I'M SORRY. APPROVAL PENDING THE AMENDMENT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM EMPLOYMENT, CIVIC CENTER TO AGRICULTURE AND RURAL. THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. CONNIE, IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REZONING? I'M SORRY, TO THIS LAND USE AMENDMENT. ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT OKAY. THAT'S EASY. ALL RIGHT. MAY I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS LAND USE AMENDMENT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE L U A 2020 6-001 AS PRESENTED SECOND.ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED?
[Z-26-0003 Rusk MHP LLC, owner; Peter Pratti, agent; requests a change of zoning to R-5(B) (Mobile Home Park) for compliance for an existing mobile home park. Property zoned C-1 (Commercial). PID# 1300142001014000 in section 14 / Township 16/ Range 2 W. (Site address 4340 Pinson Valley Parkway, Birmingham, 35215)(8.6 Acres +)]
ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES. SO NEXT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE COMPANION ZONING CASE. THIS IS Z 26 0003. SAME APPLICANT. AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A CHANGE IN ZONING TO R5B BRAVO FROM MOBILE HOME PARK FOR COMPLIANCE FOR AN EXISTING MOBILE HOME PARK AND SAME ADDRESS, PINSON VALLEY PARKWAY. CONNIE, PLEASE, MA'AM, ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO. I WANTED BOTH ADDRESSED AT THE SAME TIME. IT'S COMPLIANT WITH THE ZONING DISTRICT. THERE'S TWO MOBILE HOME PARKS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY. AS YOU LOOK. THERE'S ONE DIRECTLY TO THE. TO THE NORTHEAST OF IT, RIGHT HERE.AND THEN THERE'S ONE. LET ME GO BACK AND THERE'S ONE YOU AND THERE'S ONE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT THERE, BUT IT'S ONE RIGHT HERE ACROSS THE STREET. SO THERE ARE TWO MOBILE HOME PARKS. THERE IT IS. THERE ARE TWO MOBILE HOME PARKS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THIS. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO IS THERE ANY OPPOSITION TO THIS REZONING CASE TODAY? ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS. MAY I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE, MR. CHAIRMAN? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE Z 20 6-0003 AS PRESENTED. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.
[LUA-2026- 0002 Hooper & Chandler Properties, LLC, owner; Christopher Pappas, agent; request Minor land use map amendment to the “Employment & Civic Center” designation. Property zoned C-1 (Commercial). Lot 1 of H & C Properties. PID# 3100161000040000 in section 16 / Township 18/ Range 5 W. (Site address9760 15th Street Rd, Hueytown, 35023)(4.21 Acres +/-)]
THANK YOU. SO OUR NEXT LAND USE AMENDMENT CASE NUMBER L YOU A-2026002. THE APPLICANT IS CHRISTOPHER PAPPAS. IT'S A MINOR LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT TO THE EMPLOYMENT AND CIVIC CENTER DESIGNATION. THIS IS THE ADDRESS FOR. THIS IS 9760 15TH STREET ROAD AND HUEYTOWN. YES SIR. WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS AN EXISTING MINI STORAGE. WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY A CLIMATE CONTROLLED STORAGE AT THIS LOCATION. IT'S IN THE C ONE ZONE DISTRICT, WHICH USED TO BE APPROPRIATE UNTIL OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR. NOW, ALL STORAGES ARE LOCATED IN THE I ONE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONE. DISTRICT APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FOR ADDITIONAL MINI STORAGE UNITS AT THIS LOCATION. IN ORDER TO DO SO, HE WOULD NEED TO REZONE THIS PARCEL ALL TO THE. OUR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. THE PROBLEM HERE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER, AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THIS. THE LAND USE DESIGNATION BE APPROVED, I MEAN SORRY, DID IT BE AMENDED TO THE EMPLOYMENT CIVIC CENTER WHERE MANY WAREHOUSE STORIES ARE ALLOWED? STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU.THANK YOU. CONNIE, IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS LAND USE AMENDMENT? IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, SIR. SO WOULD YOU MIND
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COMING UP TO THE PODIUM? START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE, AND WE'LL WE'LL GO FROM THERE. JIMMY HOOPER, 900 MCLEAN ROAD, BESSEMER. WELCOME, MR. HOOPER. WHO'D LIKE TO GO FIRST? PERHAPS YOU, VICE CHAIRMAN. MR. HOOPER, WHAT ARE YOUR LONG TERM PLANS FOR THIS PROPERTY? JUST MINI STORAGE. THAT'S IT. I WAS HERE LAST YEAR CHANGING THE ZONING THAT TO THE RECOMMENDED ZONING THAT WE NEEDED. AND THEN HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO, THE COMMISSION DECIDED THAT IT NEEDED TO BE C ONE INSTEAD OF NO, I'M SORRY, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL INSTEAD OF C ONE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M BACK JUST AT THE POINT OF GETTING THE PERMIT TO BUILD, I GOT AN EMAIL SAYING I NEED TO CHANGE THE ZONING FOR STORAGE UNITS YOU PLAN ON PUTTING IN. IT MAY NOT EVEN BE UP TO FOUR.IT'S ACCORDING TO WHAT THE YOU KNOW WHAT THE NOT THE AMOUNT THE LAND WILL HOLD, BUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY CAN SUPPORT. SO IT COULD COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 2 TO 4. YOU HAVE ONE INTEREST OR MULTIPLE INTERESTS OR WHAT? I HAVE TWO ENTRANCES RIGHT NOW. IT'S REALLY ONE. IT'S REALLY DIRECTIONAL, ONE ENTRANCE AND ONE EXIT. OKAY. AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KUSH, YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS. THERE SEEMS TO BE A LARGE AREA IN THE NORTH PART OF THE PARCEL THAT IS GRADED FOR AN ADDITIONAL. YOU PLAN TO PUT MORE MINI WAREHOUSES THERE OR ANYTHING ELSE ON THE NORTH END THAT. IT'S REALLY NOT. IT'S IT'S KIND OF A. IT'S ABOUT 3 TO 4 FOOT DOWN FROM THE GRADE WHERE THE STORAGES ARE GOING. AND MOST OF THAT IS GOING TO BE A HOLDING POND. SIR. WHAT WOULD BE THE REMAINDER? OH, IT'D BE JUST STORAGES AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS WHAT STORAGE IS DRAWN IN. NOW THERE'S ONLY A SMALL AREA THAT COULD BE REALLY ANYTHING, BUT IT'S. I DON'T THINK THE COMMUNITY WILL SUPPORT ANY MORE STORAGE IN THAT AREA. THANK YOU. FEEL ABOUT THE ROAD. IF WE CAN GET SOMEBODY TO RENT IT, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, JUST WHATEVER THE WE COULD GET IN THERE. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IN THAT LAST THAT THAT LAST BIGGER BUILDING MAY NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO GO IN. I DON'T SEE THE I DON'T SEE THE PROPERTY FILLING UP COMPLETELY WITH STORAGE COMMUNITY IS NOT THAT BIG. WELL, THE GOOD NEWS IS I DON'T SEE ARE THE. CHRIS PAPPAS TOLD THE ENGINEER TOLD US WE JUST NEED TO DRAW IN WHAT COULD. WHAT WE THOUGHT MIGHT BE THERE. YEAH. OKAY. SO GOOD NEWS IS IF YOU STAGGER THESE OUT, BUILDING THEM, THE ZONING REGULATION PROBABLY ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE AGAIN. RIGHT. I WON'T PROMISE IT, BUT IT'S GREAT IT MOVED TO A BETTER PLACE. I MEAN, IT'S NOT A HARD PROCEDURE. I MEAN IT'S YEAH, YOU KNOW, BUT HOPEFULLY YOU WON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT. I THINK YOU CAN SIT DOWN. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. SO MAY I HAVE A MOTION ON THE THE LAND USE PLAN AMENDMENT, PLEASE? YEAH. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE L U A 2020 6-002 WITH THE STIPULATION THAT IS ONLY BE USED FOR MINI WAREHOUSE STORAGE ONLY. SECOND POINT OF ORDER. POINT OF ORDER. THIS IS JUST. OH I'M SORRY. YES.
SO SAY THAT FOR THE ZONING CASE. PLEASE AMEND MY MOTION TO APPROVE L U A DASH 2020 6-0002 AS PRESENTED SECOND. ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE.
ANYONE OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. LAND USE AMENDMENT PASSES. OH. WHAT DID I MISS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. WE DID. OKAY, SO MOTION. SO IT PASSES. WHAT ARE YOU GOING? HE'S LEAVING. WE'RE NOT DONE. WE HAVEN'T DONE ZONING. ZONING. AND I'LL LET YOU WHEN I CALL IT. I'LL LET YOU COME UP AND TALK, OKAY? OKAY. THANKS. SORRY. I'M STILL THROWING FROM THAT FIRST THAT LAST SUBDIVISION CASE. SO. SO OUR NOW WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THE ZONING CASE Z 26 0005.
[Z-26-0005 Hooper & Chandler Properties, LLC, owner; Christopher Pappas, agent; requests a change of zoning to I-1 (Light Industrial) for warehouse storage units. Property zoned C-1 (Commercial). Lot 1 of H & C Properties. PID# 3100161000040000 in section 16 / Township 18/ Range 5 W. (Site address 9760 15th Street Rd, Hueytown, 35023)(4.21 Acres)]
CHRISTOPHER PAPPAS IS THE APPLICANT REQUEST IS A CHANGE IN ZONING TO I-1 LIGHT INDUSTRIAL FOR WAREHOUSE STORAGE UNITS AND ADDRESSES THE SAME 9760 15TH STREET ROAD IN HUEYTOWN. ALL RIGHT. NOTHING MORE TO PRESENT ON THE CASE, I PRESUME, CONNIE. SO NOTHING MORE TO PRESENT ON THIS. RIGHT. YOU COVERED IT ALL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO IS THERE ANYONE IN[00:30:04]
OPPOSITION TO THIS REZONING CASE? ALL RIGHT, MR. HOOPER, WE ALL GOT YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.YOU COME UP AND ASK YOUR QUESTION. WELL, YOU COVERED IT AND. OKAY, WELL, I LOVE THAT, OR I DON'T HATE IT. MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE, MR. CHAIRMAN? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE Z 20 6-0005 WITH THE STIPULATION THAT LIBERTY LIMITED I ONE ZONING TO MANY WAREHOUSE STORAGE ONLY ON THE PROPERTY SECOND. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A YES. MICHAEL POINT OF DISCUSSION THAT WOULD ALSO ALLOW ANY USE THAT WAS ALLOWED CURRENT ZONING. YEAH. SO WILL YOU AMEND IT TO SAY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WITH ALLOWING MINI STORAGE AND ANY C ONE USES. CORRECT. OKAY. OKAY.
ALLOW MINI STORAGE I ONE AND C ONE AS ALREADY ZONED. YEAH. ANY OF THE MINI WAREHOUSES ARE THERE ANY USE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED. YEAH, IT, IT USED TO BE ALLOWED IN C ONE LIMITED TO MINI WAREHOUSE. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? NOT REALLY, BUT BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE A. YOU GET ONE AND THAT'S ALL. OKAY. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ME. WAREHOUSES, ZONING. AND I THOUGHT I HEARD HIM SAY MINI WAREHOUSES, PLUS WHATEVER ELSE FOR ANYTHING THAT'S ALLOWED IN CURRENT COMMERCIAL. YEAH. SO THAT'S FINE. SO I SO, SO IT'S LIKE YOU GET COMMERCIAL FOR THE WHOLE PROPERTY STILL, AND YOU CAN DO MINI WAREHOUSES, BUT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S ALLOWED IN INDUSTRIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. OH, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. AND THIS IS FOR ZONING, NOT FOR SITE. RIGHT? YES. YEAH.
OKAY. REMEMBER, GIVE A MOUSE A COOKIE. HE'LL ASK TWO QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO NOW WE'RE GOING
[Z-26- 0006 William and Keri Stricklin, owners; requests a change of zoning to A-1 (Agriculture) to remove split zoning for agriculture use. Property zoned A-1 (Agriculture), C-1 (Commercial), I-2 (Heavy Industrial) and I-3 (Industrial). PID# 0300290000003000 in section 29 / Township 14/ Range 3 W. (Site address 1835 Warrior Jasper Road, Warrior, 35071)(67 Acres)]
TO HERE JUST ZONING CASES. AND WE JUST HAVE ONE OF THOSE. I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE. THE STAFF'S GOING TO PRESENT IT TO THE COMMISSION. I'LL CALL FOR OPPOSITION. COME TO THE PODIUM AND WE'LL TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS. 50 MINUTE TIME LIMIT. AND JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND THEY MAKE THE FINAL DECISION. SO OUR ZONING CASE, NEXT ZONING CASE IS Z DASH 20 6-0006. WILLIAM STRICKLAND IS THE APPLICANT.THE REQUEST IS A CHANGE OF ZONING TO A1 AGRICULTURAL TO REMOVE SPLIT ZONING FOR AGRICULTURAL USE. IT'S CURRENTLY HAS MIXED ZONING, A1 AGRICULTURAL, C1, COMMERCIAL I-2, HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND I3 INDUSTRIAL. THIS IS AT 1835 WARRIOR JASPER ROAD IN WARRIOR.
YES, SIR. THE APPLICANT PROPOSING TO REMOVE SPLIT ZONING AND BRING THIS PARCEL INTO COMPLIANCE. APPLICANTS PROPOSING TO REZONE. THEY'RE ACTUALLY FIVE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS. APPLICANTS PROPOSING TO REZONE ALL BUT THE INSTITUTIONAL ONE. WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE THAT THE SAME. AND THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO DONATE THAT TO THE EXISTING CHURCH AND THE INSTITUTIONAL ONE'S OWN DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD BE RIGHT HERE. THE OTHER FOUR ZONING DISTRICTS, APPLICANTS PROPOSED. AND LIKE I SAID, THE A1 ZONING DISTRICT. AND HE PLANS TO RESURVEY THE PROPERTY INTO FIVE. LOTS OF RECORD FOR LOTS OF RECORD. I'M SORRY. ONE, HE'S GOING TO BUILD A HOME ON AND THE OTHER TWO HE'S GOING TO SELL. AND THEN THAT ONE THAT'S INSTITUTIONAL ONE THAT WOULD BE DONATED TO THE CHURCH. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL, THIS REZONING AND THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU. THANK YOU. CONNIE, IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REZONING CASE? IS THE APPLICANT PRESENT? ALL RIGHT. WELCOME HEARING. NO OPPOSITION. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. MAY I HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE? MR. CHAIRMAN? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. Z 20 6-0006 AS PRESENTED. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. ANYONE OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES. AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR
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