THAT I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF WORK ON THE, ON THE INTERSTATES AND THE FREEWAY. [I. RECONVENE & ADJOURN THE MEETING OF MARCH 19, 2026] [00:00:07] HAVING A QUORUM HERE TODAY, I WOULD LIKE TO RECONVENE OUR MARCH 19TH MEETING AND AND ASK THE DEPUTY COUNTY MANAGER, IS THERE ANY BUSINESS THAT WE NEED TO TRANSACT OUT OF THIS? SEEING [II. CALL TO ORDER & ROLL CALL] NONE, THAT MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED. LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE MEETING OF APRIL 9TH, 2026. MINI CLARK, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? MR. PRESIDENT, COMMISSIONER. KNIGHT. COMMISSIONER. GOOD MORNING. COMMISSIONER TYSON. COMMISSIONER. CEDAR. GOOD MORNING. I'M HERE. WE HAVE OUR INVOCATION TODAY FROM DISTRICT TWO. MIKE, ARE YOU GOING TO DO THAT FOR. AND HELEN HAYES IF YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE THAT WOULD BE GREAT. STAND, PLEASE. DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH OUR HEADS BOWED, OUR MINDS CLEAR AND OUR HEARTS OPEN AS WE AFFIRM OUR FAITH. I BELIEVE IN GOD, THE FATHER ALMIGHTY, MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, AND IN JESUS CHRIST, HIS ONLY SON, OUR LORD, WHO WAS CONCEIVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, BORN OF THE VIRGIN MARY, SUFFERED UNDER PONTIUS PILATE, WAS CRUCIFIED, DEAD, AND BURIED. ON THE THIRD DAY HE AROSE FROM THE DEAD. HE ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN, AND SITTETH AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY. FROM THENCE HE SHALL COME TO JUDGE THE QUICK AND THE DEAD. I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH, THE COMMUNION OF SAINTS, THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN, RESURRECTION OF THE BODY, AND LIFE EVERLASTING. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. PLEDGE. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS TWO PRESENTATIONS. THE FIRST BEING [VI. PRESENTATIONS] IS A PROCLAMATION FOR NATIONAL PUBLIC HEALTH WEEK. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE SOME VERY GOOD REPRESENTATIVES HERE FOR THAT. GOOD TO SEE YOU THERE. COUNTY MANAGER HAS NOW COME INTO THE BACK. COME ON UP, DAVID. I'LL STEP DOWN HERE. DROP THE MIC. GOT TWO OF THEM READY DOWN THERE. YOU KNOW THEY THEY DID A GOOD JOB. THEY MADE THIS LARGE PRINT. RIGHT HERE. SO. YOU KNOW, EVERY NOW AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO DO SOMETHING THAT TO GIVE RECOGNITION FOR SOMEONE OR, OR SOME ORGANIZATION THAT, THAT DOES SO MUCH GOOD WORK. AND IT'S REALLY IN THE BACKGROUND. IT'S, IT'S. THE BEST GOVERNMENT, THE BEST ORGANIZATION IS ONE. YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT. WHAT IT DOES IS IT SETS THE ATMOSPHERE FOR, FOR OUR CITIZENS TO BE SUCCESSFUL OR TO OR IN THIS CASE, TO BE MORE HEALTHY. AND YOU NEVER HEAR MUCH ABOUT WHAT GOES ON THERE, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. I CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS COUNTY COMMISSIONS, BEFORE THIS GROUP ONLY STAYED IN THE NEWSPAPER, AND WE HAD ALL KINDS OF FOLKS HERE SAYING NOT GOOD THINGS ABOUT YOU. SO LET ME SAY SOME GOOD THINGS ABOUT. THE JEFFERSON COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, AND I BELIEVE I CAN READ THIS OUT. WHEREAS PUBLIC HEALTH PLAYS A VITAL ROLE IN PROTECTING AND IMPROVING THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELL-BEING OF THE RESIDENTS OF JEFFERSON COUNTY, ALABAMA. AND WHEREAS, NATIONAL PUBLIC HEALTH WEEK IS OBSERVED EACH YEAR ACROSS THE UNITED STATES TO REORGANIZE AND RECOGNIZE ALL THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF PUBLIC HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF PREVENTION, HEALTH, EDUCATION AND COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS. IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE CITIZENS. WHEREAS, THE JEFFERSON COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS LONG SERVED AS A LEADER IN PROMOTING HEALTH INITIATIVES, DISEASE PREVENTION, EMERGENCY PREPARATIONS AND [00:05:04] HEALTH EDUCATION FOR THE RESIDENTS OF JEFFERSON COUNTY. AND WHEREAS, UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF JEFFERSON COUNTY HEALTH OFFICER DOCTOR DAVID HICKS, THE DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO ADDRESS COMPLEX HEALTH CHALLENGES WHILE ADVANCING INNOVATIVE STRATEGIES TO STRENGTHEN COMMUNITY HEALTH AND AWARENESS. AND WHEREAS, THIS EVENT WILL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY LEADERS, HEALTH PROFESSIONALS AND RESIDENTS COME TOGETHER TO LEARN, COLLABORATE AND CELEBRATE THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF THOSE WORKING AND TO PROTECT AND IMPROVE THE HEALTH OF JEFFERSON COUNTY. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT PROCLAIMED THAT THE JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION IS HEREBY RECOGNIZE APRIL 6TH THROUGH THE 12TH, 2026 AS NATIONAL PUBLIC HEALTH WEEK IN JEFFERSON COUNTY AND ENCOURAGES ALL RESIDENTS TO RECOGNIZE THE VITAL CONTRIBUTIONS OF PUBLIC HEALTH THAT THESE PROFESSIONALS AND TO PROVIDE. SUPPORT EFFORTS THAT PROMOTE. THAT PROMOTE HEALTHY COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT JEFFERSON COUNTY. AND THEN BEFORE IT FURTHER PROCLAIMED THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION COMMENDS THE JEFFERSON COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH FOR ITS CONTINUED DEDICATION TO SAFEGUARDING THE HEALTH OF OUR COMMUNITY AND EXTENDS BEST WISHES FOR A SUCCESSFUL STATE OF THE COUNTY'S HEALTH EVENT. ON APRIL THE 7TH. SIGNED BY JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION. DAVID, HERE'S YOUR PROCLAMATION. KNOWING YOU PERSONALLY AND CONSIDERING YOU A GOOD FRIEND, IT IS A GREAT HONOR AND PLEASURE TO GIVE YOU THIS RECOGNITION AND TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU AND THE JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF HEALTH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, PRESIDENT STEVENS AND THE REST OF THE JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION AT THE JEFFERSON COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. WE'VE BEEN IN EXISTENCE IN EXISTENCE SINCE 1917, SERVING THOSE THAT LIVE, WORK, WORSHIP AND PLAY IN JEFFERSON COUNTY. OUR ROLE IS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH. AS COMMISSIONER STEVENS STATED, WITH OVER 400 EMPLOYEES, WE WORK TIRELESSLY BEHIND THE SCENES TO PROTECT THE HEALTH OF THE COMMUNITY. I TELL ALL OF OUR STAFF AND WHAT WE PREACH IS THAT, NUMBER ONE, OUR BOSSES ARE THE PEOPLE, RIGHT? OUR JOB IS TO SERVE THE PEOPLE, BUT THE PEOPLE, NUMBER ONE, AND WE'RE JUST IN THE BACKGROUND. AND SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR ALL OF THESE YEARS. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE ALL THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISTER PRESIDENT. HOLD ON MISTER PRESIDENT. DOCTOR HICKS, IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE PODIUM. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. PRESIDENT STEVENS. I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR THE RECORD, TO TELL YOU HOW PROUD I AM OF YOU AND YOUR WORK. BUT YOU. I WATCHED YOU. SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC INCLUDES PUBLIC OFFICIALS WHO ARE WATCHING YOU. AND YOU DID SOMETHING LAST WEEK. YOU WERE DOING A RADIO INTERVIEW, AND BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT YOU ON SOCIAL MEDIA NOW, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN KIND OF SEE YOU AND HEAR YOU. AND I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU REMAIN NOT ONLY PROFESSIONAL, BUT YOU DIDN'T GIVE YOU DIDN'T TAKE A SIDE. YOU ONLY TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE SUBJECT MATTER WAS. AND THAT WAS TO TALK ABOUT FLUORIDE, THE WATER AND ALL THAT. AND I LIKE THAT. I ALSO WANT TO TELL YOU, AS A CHURCH MEMBER, WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT BEING EFFECTIVE IN WHAT WE DO. AND I TO SAY THE SAME THING WHEREVER I GO. YOUR BOSSES ARE THE FOLK WHO ARE PAYING YOU, AND THAT'S THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT FROM ME TO YOU, NOT ONLY AS A COMMISSIONER, BUT AS A FELLOW CHURCH MEMBER, YOU MAKE MY CHEST STICK OUT VERY PROUDLY BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T JUST GET A D E. I CHECK ON BEING THE PERSON WHO WAS NAMED TO BE THE DIRECTOR THERE. I'M NOT SAYING THIS TO BE OFFENSIVE, BUT YOU EARNED YOUR WAY AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I AM PROUD OF YOU. YOU SAY A LOT FOR JEFFERSON COUNTY, AND YOU REALLY MAKE US LOOK LIKE WE SHOULD. AND THAT'S PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE PROVIDING THE PEOPLE OF JEFFERSON COUNTY WITH A GOOD QUALITY SERVICE. SO THANK YOU AND I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST. CONTINUE TO BE YOU. IF YOU ARE ANYTHING ELSE, I'LL BE BACK ON THIS MICROPHONE SAYING SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT. BUT GOD BLESS YOU AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. GOOD. YOU REMEMBER THAT? I DO GIVE YOU IN [00:10:16] THIS THING. CAN WE DO THIS? YES, SO THERE YOU GO. FABULOUS. ON THE COUNT OF THREE. ONE. TWO. THREE. ONE MORE. OKAY. COMMA 3123. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU. OH NO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YEAH. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE HAVE ANOTHER PROCLAMATION. FOR. SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO COME UP WITH. ON THIS ONE. I'M GOING TO PULL MY GLASSES OUT. ARE THEY HERE? DO WE HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALABAMA? COME ON. WE JUST HAVE A COUPLE. WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD FOLKS. WELCOME. RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. I'LL PUT MY GLASSES ON. OKAY. LET ME. YEAH, Y'ALL COME ON IN. THAT'S IT. YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. THIS IS A LOCAL PROCLAMATION APRIL 12TH THROUGH 18 FOR TO RECOGNIZE THAT PARTICULAR WEEK IS ALABAMA EXTENSION WEEK. AND IT STATES WHEREAS THE ALABAMA COOPERATIVE EXTENSION SYSTEM, FUNDED IN 1915 SERVES AS A PRIMARY OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT AREA. OF THE LAND GRANT MISSION OF AUBURN UNIVERSITY AND ALABAMA A&M UNIVERSITY, IN COOPERATION WITH TUSKEGEE UNIVERSITY. AND. WHEREAS EXTENSION TRANSFORMS LIVES AND STRENGTHENS COMMUNITIES THROUGH RESEARCH, INFORMATION AND PRACTICAL SOLUTIONS AND MEANINGFUL EDUCATIONAL EXPERIENCES. WHEREAS, ALABAMA EXTENSION EMPLOYS AGENTS, SPECIALISTS, COUNTY DIRECTORS AND SUPPORT STAFF WHO, IN COOPERATION WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS, SERVE RESIDENTS IN ALL 67 COUNTIES. WHEREAS, PROGRAMS AND PUBLICATIONS FROM THE ALABAMA EXTENSIONS PROVIDES THE PUBLIC WITH RESOURCES IN VARIOUS DISCIPLINES, INCLUDING AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY AND WILDLIFE, LAWN AND GARDEN, HUMAN SCIENCES, WATER RESOURCES, FOOD SAFETY AND QUALITY, AND URBAN EXTENSIONS. AND WHEREAS, THE YOUTH LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM OF THE ALABAMA EXTENSION, ALABAMA FOUR H INVOLVES MORE THAN 110,000 STUDENTS ANNUALLY IN THEIR CLUBS, LIVESTOCK PROGRAMS, SKILLS, COMPETITION AND EDUCATIONAL ACTIVITIES. WHEREAS, ALABAMA EXTENSION SUPPORTS ECONOMIC GROWTH BY STRENGTHENING AGRICULTURE, SMALL BUSINESS WORKFORCE READINESS AND NATURAL RESOURCE STEWARDSHIP ACROSS THE STATE. AND WHEREAS ALABAMA EXTENSION ENGAGES THOUSANDS OF VOLUNTEERS WHO CONTRIBUTE THEIR TIME AND TALENTS TO STRENGTHEN THE LOCAL PROGRAMS AND COMMUNITIES INITIATIVES. WHEREAS, THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT FROM ACCESSIBLE, RESEARCH BASED PROGRAMS AND RESOURCES OFFERED THROUGH LOCAL COUNTY OFFICES, IN PERSON EDUCATION PROGRAMS AND ONLINE PLATFORMS. NOW, THEREFORE, THE JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION HEREBY DECLARES APRIL THE 12TH THROUGH 18TH AS THE ALABAMA EXTENSION WEEK AND ENCOURAGES ALL LOCAL RESIDENTS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE WORK THE EXTENSION DOES TO PROVIDE SOLUTIONS FOR EVERYDAY LIFE RIGHT HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. PROCLAIM THIS NINTH DAY OF APRIL 2026 JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION. GUYS, THIS IS THIS IS WONDERFUL NEWS. I'M AN OLD AG TEACHER 21 YEARS. SO YOU YOU TOUCH MY HEART WITH WHAT YOU DO. I UNDERSTAND PROBABLY MORE THAN THE GENERAL PUBLIC OF OF WHAT [V. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] YOU DO TO TO TOUCH THE COMMUNITY. AND WHAT YOU DO IS THAT YOU PROVIDE A FOUNDATION [00:15:03] FROM WHICH TO GROW FROM. AND YOU GIVE AN EDUCATION BASE THAT THEY WOULD NOT HAVE HAD OTHERWISE. AND GOD BLESS YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. AND I'D LIKE TO TO GIVE THIS PROCLAMATION TO, TO, TO YOU ARE YOU. AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY A WORD OR TWO, IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. WE'D LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR HAVING US TODAY. THE BEST WAY TO LEARN ABOUT EXTENSION IS COME AND TALK TO US. WE DO A LOT OF STUFF IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE EVERYBODY TO NEXT WEEK, APRIL 14TH, WE'RE HAVING AN OPEN HOUSE IN OUR OFFICE AT THE 2121 BUILDING ON THE 17TH FLOOR FROM 11 TO 1. SO COME OUT, SEE WHAT ALL WE OFFER. WE ARE HERE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF JEFFERSON COUNTY, AND WE LOVE WHAT WE DO. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU. MR. THIS IS GOING TO MAKE. SOMEBODY ON THIS. YEAH. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. WE'RE CENTERED NOW. I THINK ONE TWO, THREE. HOLD ON. ONE MORE. 123. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. GOD BLESS YOU. ALL THE BEST. YES SIR. SIR. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING SIR. BLESS YOU. BLESS YOU. NOW THAT WAS A FUN PART. NOW WE'LL GET DOWN TO BUSINESS. BEGIN OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH [VII. PUBLIC HEARINGS] THE DECLARATION OF PUBLIC NUISANCE AND DEMOLITION OF A STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 4395 GUCCI ROAD. 35022. THIS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE DECLARATION OF STRUCTURES, ALSO LOCATED AT 4395 GUCCI ROAD, TO BE A PUBLIC NUISANCE AND ORDERING THE DEMOLITION OF SAID STRUCTURE. THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT MATTER. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO THAT? GOOD MORNING. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE. MY NAME IS ERIC MCADOREY, 4543 HARPER ROAD, BESSEMER, ALABAMA. 35022. INITIALLY, I WANT TO START BY STATING THAT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE BESSEMER CUTOFF. AND I WANT TO FIRST STATE AN OBJECTION FOR THIS HEARING HERE TODAY. AND I MOVE THAT THIS BE TABLED AND THEN PRESENTING IT AGAIN WHEN YOU ALL MEET IN THE BESSEMER CUTOFF IN 1893, THEY CREATED THE BESSEMER CUTOFF WITH THE INTENT THAT LANDOWNERS IN BESSEMER CUTOFF SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TRAVEL TO BIRMINGHAM TO DEFEND RIGHTS ON THE LAND. IT WAS CODIFIED IN 1901, WHEN THE CONSTITUTION WAS. SO BASED ON THAT, PERTAINING TO THIS LAND BEING THE CUTOFF, ACTUALLY HEARING SHOULD BE IN THE COURTHOUSE WHEN THE COMMISSION MEET IN THE BESSEMER CUTOFF. THAT'S MY FIRST OBJECTION. I HAVE PART INTEREST IN THIS PROPERTY, AND THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1935. LAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE VANDALIZING, DESTROYING THE MOBILE HOME, TAKING STUFF OFF, PUSHING THE TREES DOWN, AND I CAN'T SAY WHO DOING IT, BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL EXPANSION OF A NEW SUBDIVISION AROUND MY PROPERTY OR MY PORTION OF MY PROPERTY. THE STRUCTURE IS GOOD. UNFORTUNATELY, I USED IT FOR STORAGE AND APPARENTLY SOMEONE CAME BY AND KNOCKED OUT THE WINDOWS AND DOORS. AND SO. BUT. YOU HONEST WITH YOU, I'VE BEEN IN THE CUTOFF FOR OVER 50 YEARS. [00:20:12] MY FAMILY'S BEEN THERE FOR OVER 175 YEARS. AND I DON'T RECALL ANYBODY DEMOLISHING ANY PROPERTY DOWN THERE. ESPECIALLY THE COUNTY IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME IN THAT AREA. I DON'T THINK IT'S JUSTIFIED THAT THE PROPERTY BE DEMOLISHED AT THIS TIME. THERE'S SOME LEGAL ISSUES GOING ON WITH THE PROPERTY IN THAT I GOT A PERSON THAT'S STATE THAT'S HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY. SO. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THAT. THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE HERE. BUT I STATED MY OBJECTIONS AND. WHEN WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY, WE WILL. IMPROVE THE PROPERTY. THAT WAS THE INTENT AT ALL TIMES. BUT I CAN'T CONTINUE TO TO PUT MONEY IN THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT HAS TO GO THROUGH PROBATE FOR THE OTHER PERSON'S INTERESTS AND WITH THE PEOPLE, WHOEVER'S DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO CAUSE SOME SERIOUS PROBLEMS. SO, BUT IN ESSENCE, I THINK THAT LEGALLY THAT THIS HEARING SHOULD BE IN THE BESSEMER CUTOFF. SO PEOPLE IN THE BESSEMER CUTOFF COULD HAVE PARTAKE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, I WOULD LIKE FOR OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY TO ADDRESS THAT. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS PROBABLY NOTICED. THIS IS THE PROPER PROCEDURE. THE FACT THAT WE NEED FOR THE DAY ENSURE TO OUR CONSENT DECREE AND THE ISSUES WITH SETTING UP TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE SERVICES. AND SO THIS CASE, IN THIS SITUATION, HAVING ANYTHING TO SUGGEST HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION REGARDING THE CONDITION OF PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHAT WE CARE ABOUT TODAY. SO VENUE IS PROPERLY OVER HERE FOR THOSE BEFORE WE GET THEM. JOSH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO STATE THE CASE FOR THE COUNTY? YES, SIR. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. I MEAN, WE'VE WE'VE THE GENTLEMAN WAS PROPERLY NOTICED. WE SENT OUT THE CERTIFIED LETTER, ADHERED TO ALL THE THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS OF OF NOTIFYING HIM THAT THE THE PROPERTY IS A PUBLIC NUISANCE. HE CAN CERTAINLY COME IN AND PULL A DEMOLITION PERMIT FROM US TO DEMOLISH THE SITE ON HIS OWN, OR IF HE WANTS TO PULL A PERMIT TO RENOVATE THE SITE AND BRING IT UP TO CODE, THEN THAT'S CERTAINLY HIS PREROGATIVE AS WELL. THE. THAT'S THE PICTURE OF THE INTERIOR OF THE HOUSE. YES, SIR. ON THE LEFT AND ON THE RIGHT WOULD BE THE EXTERIOR. AND IS ANY IS THAT A LIMB OR IS THAT THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE? IT'S BEGINNING TO DECAY AND FALL. I BELIEVE IT DOES HAVE SOME LIMBS THAT HAVE FALLEN ON IT. CORRECT. THAT GROWN OVER THERE. GROWN OVER IT. OKAY. IT'S BEEN PUSHED OVER, BUT THERE'S A TREE THAT'S BEEN PUSHED OVER ALL AROUND THE STUFF. OKAY, SO THAT'S SAYING HE'S CONCERNED WITH ONE. I'M PRETTY MUCH TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THEM. I HAVE A QUESTION TOO. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NORMALLY I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 16 YEARS NOW AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE. THIS MAY BE THE SECOND CASE THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED THIS WAY. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IT LOOKS BAD AND IT. AND IT. HOW DID YOU DETERMINE IT TO BE A PUBLIC NUISANCE? IT WAS IN THE SYSTEM WHEN I GOT HERE AND AFTER GOING OUT AND DOING MY INSPECTION. THE INTERIOR HAS BEEN COMPROMISED COMPLETELY, PRETTY MUCH FROM THE FRONT ROOM ALL THE WAY GOING TO THE BACK, THE EXTERIOR DAMAGES IN THE FRONT AND THE SIDE AND IN THE REAR. IF I HAD TO REPAIR IT, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT FEASIBLE TO REPAIR IT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COST THEM WAY MORE MONEY TO ACTUALLY DO THE REPAIRS THAN THE STRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY WORTH. I UNDERSTAND, AND THAT YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING OUT FOR, FOR THE, FOR THE COMMUNITY AND, AND FOR THE, FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER. WHEN, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO THAT. SO. JOSH ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR. THAT, THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS IT UP. AS PHIL SAID, YOU KNOW, THE, THE IT'S STRUCTURALLY UNSOUND. IT'S NOT [00:25:01] SAFE FOR STRUCTURALLY UNSOUND. IT TAKE MORE TO JUST TO GET IT IN GOOD SHAPE TO. IT'S UNINHABITABLE. YES, SIR. IN IN IN IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO MAKE IT HABITABLE. YES. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS. YES, SIR. I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS. HOLD ON JUST A MOMENT. I'LL LET YOU SPEAK IN A MINUTE. THE COMMISSIONER IS DOING RIGHT NOW. SO LET ME LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY. SO I UNDERSTOOD AS HE WAS SPEAKING, AS IN THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS THIS IN CITY LIMITS OR COUNTY JURISDICTION, IT'S COUNTY. YES, MA'AM. THAT NEEDED TO BE ESTABLISHED. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING, BECAUSE WHAT THE GENTLEMAN STATES IS THAT HE'S NEVER SEEN THE COUNTY TAKE AN ACTION. AND I KNOW THAT WE JUST HAD THIS LAST NIGHT. RIGHT. SO WE CAN'T TAKE AN ACTION EXCEPT TO BE WITHIN THE COUNTY PROPER, WHICH MEANS IT'S IN UNINCORPORATED JEFFERSON COUNTY. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. WHICH IS WHY THE COUNTY IS INVOLVED. YES, MA'AM. IS THAT CORRECT? ALL RIGHT. SIR, CAN YOU COME UP JUST A MOMENT. AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. ONLY IF YOU DON'T MIND WHAT I'M ASKING YOU. I KNOW YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS YOUR POINT. SO THIS PROPERTY OBVIOUSLY IS IN YOUR FAMILY, AND YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THE PROPERTY DEMOLISHED, I GET THAT. HOW LONG HAS THIS PROPERTY BEEN IN THIS STATE IN THIS CONDITION? SINCE 23 PROBABLY. I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I, I WAS LAST THERE ON THAT. 23 INSIDE THE HOUSE. AND IF WE WANT TO GO IN AND I CAN TELL THAT PART. IT WASN'T LIKE THAT IN 23. NOW I DID LET THE PROPERTY, THE TREES AND STUFF GROW UP AROUND BECAUSE IT WAS ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES BESIDE THAT, AND THEY TORE THEM DOWN AND HAULED THEM OFF. AT THE TIME WE WERE I WAS HAVING MEDICAL PROBLEMS WITH MY FAMILY. I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO DEAL WITH IT, SO I JUST LET THEM DO IT. BUT NOW THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THEY'VE MOVED OVER TO THE HOUSE. I WASN'T USING THE HOUSE WHERE WE WASN'T USING THE HOUSE FOR A LIVING. WE WERE USING IT TO STORE OUR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS. WE ACTUALLY WAS GOING TO BUILD A HOUSE BESIDE THAT ON A LOT BESIDE THAT. SO, SO LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. WHEN YOU WERE NOTIFIED BY THE COUNTY, HOW LONG WOULD YOU SAY AGO THAT THE COUNTY NOTIFIED YOU THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT THIS PROPERTY AND THAT THEY HAVE SEEN THAT THIS STRUCTURE APPEARS TO BE UNINHABITABLE OR UNSIGHTLY? I GOT A NOTICE DATED IN JANUARY, AND I DIDN'T GET JANUARY OR WHAT YEAR? THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR IT WAS DATED JANUARY 19TH. I PROBABLY GOT IT IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY. OKAY, SO THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING YOU IS THIS IS THAT ARE THERE. MR. JOHNSON, ARE THERE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY LIVING IN THAT'S IN THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA? PEOPLE LIVING AROUND THAT PROPERTY? OKAY, SIR, WHAT IS YOUR LAST NAME? I WANT TO MAKE SURE. MR. OKAY. MR. MCADOO. I'VE BEEN A NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICER, OKAY. IN BIRMINGHAM. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING, WHEN WERE YOU NOTIFIED? HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN IN THIS KIND OF CONDITION? BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT YOU GOT TO LOOK AT IT FROM THE COMMUNITY'S PERSPECTIVE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. AND SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE USING IT FOR, RIGHT? BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS THE RESIDENTS AROUND THE PROPERTY, THEIR PROPERTY VALUES BEGIN TO DECLINE. BECAUSE IF YOU DO COMPS IN THAT AREA, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS WHATEVER'S TAKING PLACE WITH THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO DEVALUE YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTIES THAT SURROUND IT. AND SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW REALLY YOU WOULD HAVE TO GUT THAT OUT, BECAUSE EITHER YOU'RE GOING TO GUT IT OUT OR YOU JUST KNOCK IT DOWN. AND SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE COST TO REBUILD, AS OPPOSED TO A DEMOLITION OF IT, THEN THAT GETS TO BE MORE OF A DECISION THAT WE NOW HAVE TO MAKE FOR YOU. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS NOT DONE PRIOR TO TODAY. SO IT'S IT'S NOT IN MY DISTRICT, BUT I AM THE COMMISSIONER. I'M LISTENING TO BOTH SIDES OF IT. AND I JUST WANT YOU TO AT LEAST CONSIDER THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA THAT IF IT'S UNSIGHTLY, IT'S NOT JUST YOUR PROPERTY. IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER PROPERTIES, IT'S AROUND THERE. AND IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. THAT MEANS IT'S BEEN THAT WAY OVER [00:30:05] TWO YEARS. THEN YOU GOT TO LOOK AT IT, SIR, AND SAY, EITHER I'M GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. WE CAN'T JUST LEAVE IT THAT WAY. DID YOU PRESENT ANYTHING PRIOR TO NOW TO SAY THAT YOU YOU WERE GOING TO CLEAN IT UP? IF SO, WHAT'S THE DEADLINE IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU PLAN TO CLEAN IT UP? AND THEN, MR. PRESIDENT, THAT'S MY LAST QUESTION. HAVE YOU SUBMITTED ANYTHING TO SHOW ASKING WHAT CAN IT DO TO. WHAT WAS. SHE. HERE YOU GO. HE HAS A LETTER FOR YOU. BASICALLY, I WANTED TO KNOW. IT SAID IT WAS A UNSAFE. AND SO I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT COULD I DO TO MAKE IT SAFE. NOW, NORMALLY IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS, IN MOST PLACES WE BOARD THE HOUSE UP AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT, IF I WERE TO BOARD THIS HOUSE UP, THEY WOULD HAVE BURNED IT DOWN THERE. SO I'M JUST WAITING TO GO IN AND DO WHAT I NEED TO DO NOW. WHAT I DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS FOR THE COUNTY TO PARTICIPATE IN WHAT'S GOING ON. THE NEXT THING THE COUNTY IS DEMANDING THEY COME DEMOLISH THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A LIEN ON IT. THEN CORPORATE IS GOING TO COME AND BUY THE PROPERTY FOR THE LIEN. YEAH. AND THAT'S THAT'S THE STATUS OF PROPERTY TAKING. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IT JUST HASN'T JUST STARTED. AND IT'S A HOUSE, RIGHT? A BLOCK DOWN THAT'S BEEN BURNT OUT. STILL THERE. SO THIS PROPERTY I DID NOT SELL, ALL MY NEIGHBORS SOLD OUT. AND SO I'M NOT GOING. ERIC, HOW LONG HAVE YOU OWNED THE PROPERTY? ALMOST 21, 22 YEARS. OKAY. YOU INHERITED. IS THAT WHAT YOU INHERITED? YOU BOUGHT IT? YEAH. AND YOU CHOSE. YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS YOU CHOSE NOT TO KEEP IT UP. LOOK AT IT. IT WAS KEPT UP. THE PROPERTY WAS KEPT UP. IT HAD POWER IN IT, AND IT HAD A TWIST IN IT. LIKE I SAY, I USED TO GO IN THERE AND SIT IN IT FOR A WHILE JUST TO SIT OVER THERE. BUT LIKE I SAID, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THEY STARTED DOING THINGS AND I CAN'T, I DON'T HAVE THE VIDEO OR WHATEVER THE APPROVAL. WHOO HOO! BUT IT HAPPENED. THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1935 AND NOBODY'S NEVER TOUCHED IT. BUT I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ASKED FOR WAS A DELAY, AND I KNOW YOU CITED ORIGINALLY THE LOCATION IN TERMS OF WHERE WE WERE HOLDING THE HEARING. BUT HERE'S WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU, SIR, RESPECTFULLY, IS THAT. DID YOU GIVE THEM ANY INTENT, IN SHORT ORDER THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET THAT CLEANED UP? BECAUSE I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I'M A HOMEOWNER. I THINK THE REST OF US ARE HOMEOWNERS, AND THERE'S AN OBLIGATION AND A RESPONSIBILITY THAT YOU HAVE AS A NEIGHBOR AND AS A HOMEOWNER THAT YOU GOT TO MAINTAIN YOUR PROPERTY. SO IF IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT OVER TWO AND A HALF YEARS, AND IT'S OBVIOUS NOBODY'S GOING IN THERE TO LIVE, PERIOD. SO WE AGREE WITH THAT, RIGHT? DID YOU HAVE INTENT FOR ANYONE TO GO TO LIVE THERE AFTER THIS? DID I HAVE INTENT? YEAH. DO YOU HAVE ANY INTENTIONS OF THIS PLACE BEING INHABITED AGAIN? IT'S POSSIBLE, I DON'T KNOW. SO ARE YOU SAYING YOU DON'T KNOW? YOU'RE IN A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE THERE HAS TO BE A DETERMINATION OF WHAT YOU PLAN TO DO WITH THIS PROPERTY? YOU CAN'T JUST LEAVE THE PROPERTY THAT WAY. SIR, I DIDN'T SAY I WAS GOING TO LEAVE IT THAT WAY. I DIDN'T SAY I HAD INTENT FOR ANYBODY TO LIVE. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU YOUR INTENT. I HAD INTENT TO MAINTAIN IT AS A STORAGE UNTIL I BUILT HOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE, ON THE OTHER LOT BESIDE. SO YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU WERE TO HAVE YOUR PROPERTY UTILIZED AS A STORAGE. I JUST WANT YOU TO TRACK WITH ME. IF YOU ARE UTILIZING AS A STORAGE TO BUILD OTHER HOMES, THAT'S CONSIDERED A BUSINESS. SO YOU REALLY OPERATING A BUSINESS OUT OF A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. I DON'T SEE HOW THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED A BUSINESS WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR LUMBER IN THERE SO SOMEBODY CAN'T STEAL IT. WELL, SIR, LOOK AT ME. SET UP WHERE YOU CAN WHERE YOU CAN DO THAT. EXCUSE ME. IF YOU IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD AROUND THAT. RIGHT. WERE YOU PLANNING ON SELLING THOSE PROPERTIES OR LEASING THEM ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU BUILT THEM, MAYBE GIVE IT TO FAMILY MEMBERS, I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. SEE, THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY, SIR. AND LISTEN, I AM ONE THAT I WILL SUPPORT ANYONE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. LET ME SAY, HOLD ON. JUST BEAR WITH [00:35:07] ME. I WILL SUPPORT IF YOU CAN GIVE SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE THAT YOU HAVE NOT ONLY AN INTENT, BUT YOU CAN GIVE US AN EXACT PERIOD OF TIME. YOU'RE GOING TO CLEAN THAT UP. I WILL BE ONE THAT WILL SUPPORT YOU. BUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING, YOU YOU'RE PUTTING ME AS THIS COMMISSIONER IN A VERY AWKWARD POSITION BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DEAFNESS IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE. YOU ARE SAYING THAT WE'RE BASICALLY HOLDING A MEETING WE SHOULDN'T BE HAVING ABOUT YOUR PROPERTY, AND IT SHOULD BE IN THE CUTOFF. SO WE'VE RESOLVED THAT LEGALLY, RIGHT. OKAY. TO RESOLVE THAT. BUT WELL, WITH THE RESOLUTION WAS, WAS THE FACT THAT OUR COUNCIL MADE US AWARE, AS IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, THAT BASED UPON THE CONDITION OF THIS PROPERTY, THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE CUTOFF IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THIS PROPERTY, SO THAT YOU HEARD THAT YOURSELF. AND THAT'S ON THE RECORD. BUT WHAT I'M TELLING YOU, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE PUTTING ME AS ONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT YOU BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DEAFNESS, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS. WHAT IF TODAY WE WERE DELAY THIS AND WE SAID, OKAY, WELL, WE'LL GIVE YOU 60 DAYS TO GET THAT CLEANED UP. COULD YOU GET IT CLEANED UP IN 60 DAYS? YEAH, I CAN GET IT TORN DOWN IF IT'S NECESSARY. IT NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN. OKAY, WELL, THEY'VE TOLD YOU IT IS UNINHABITABLE, AND SO IT NEEDS TO BE DEMOLISHED. OKAY, BUT STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS TO CHECK IT OUT, TOO. WELL, NO, JUST REDID ONE WORSE THAN THAT AND BROUGHT IT UP A YEAR AGO. OKAY. WELL, ONLY THING I'M MY PROBLEM, MISS COUNSELOR. SURE. COMMISSIONER IS IS THAT I DON'T WANT THE COUNTY CONDEMNING THE PROPERTY, GOING OUT AND GETTING SOMEBODY AND RUNNING THE PRICE UP WHEN I CAN. IF I NEED TO BE DESTROYED, I CAN DO IT MYSELF. OKAY. SO THEN IF WE YOU GIVE ME 60 DAYS OR 90 DAYS TO SEE IF I CAN GET A STRUCTURE IN. NO, WE, IF WE DELAYED IT, WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE A GUARANTEE. YOU GOING TO HAVE IT TORN DOWN? WELL, IT'D BE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. NO NO NO, NO, LISTEN TO ME. I'M TELLING YOU THAT IF YOU'RE ASKING US TO DELAY THIS, THEN THERE'S AN OBLIGATION TO YOU, SIR, ON YOU REGARDING THIS PROPERTY, BECAUSE IT'S YOUR PROPERTY. SO IF WE WERE TO EVEN ENTERTAIN THAT, THERE HAS TO BE A DEFINITE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU CAN DO. NOW, OUR COUNCIL CAN REALLY TELL ME LEGALLY IF I'M IN A POSITION TO EVEN SAY THAT, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT IF THAT IS THE CASE AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT, HEY, I TEAR IT DOWN, IF IT'S GOING TO SAVE ME $2,000 OR WHATEVER, AND MY PROPERTY ENDS UP WITH A LEAN, DO YOU UNDERSTAND? SO I'M TELLING YOU, PUT ME IN A POSITION WHERE I CAN BE ABLE TO HELP YOU BY GIVING DEFINITES IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT. PROPERTY COMMISSIONER, MADRAS, THE COMMISSION. SURE, ABSOLUTELY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT THIS BODY AND THIS HEARING DOESN'T GET TOO FAR AFIELD OF WHAT WE'RE HERE TO, TO ESTABLISH OR FOR YOU TO ESTABLISH AT THIS JUNCTURE. IT IS A DECLARATION THAT THIS PROPERTY IS A PUBLIC NUISANCE AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS TODAY. SO SO THIS HEARING IS NOT ABOUT FIXING OR RECLAMATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WHAT IT IS, WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS HEARING IS FOR IS FOR YOU TO ESTABLISH THAT CURRENTLY THAT PROPERTY EXISTS IN THE CONDITION THAT YOU HAVE NOW SEEN PICTURES OF. IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WITH HIS DEMOLISHING IT OR TEARING IT DOWN. BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THE REASON YOU HAVE THESE KINDS OF HEARINGS IS BECAUSE WE COULD HAVE THIS ON THE AGENDA, AND IT COULD BE THE WRONG HOUSE, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD COME AND SAY, YOU HAVE THE WRONG HOUSE, AND HERE ARE PICTURES THAT IS PERFECTLY HABITABLE AND IN GOOD SHAPE, AND THAT YOU GOT IT WRONG IN THIS SITUATION. WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THIS IS NOT THE PORTION WHERE WE COME BACK AND HAVE SOMEBODY GO AND DEMOLISH IT. AND YOU ARE NOW LOOKING FOR PLACING A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY. THIS HEARING IS SIMPLY TO ESTABLISH THAT THIS PROPERTY IS, IN FACT, IN THE CONDITION THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SHOWN AND HAS BEEN ADDRESSED BY OUR STAFF. SO THE OTHER ISSUES ARE NOT CURRENTLY WHERE WE ARE AT THIS TIME. THE HOMEOWNER CAN CERTAINLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TODAY, TOMORROW, 60 DAYS OR IN THE TIME FRAME BEFORE WE GET THAT GOING TO REMEDY THE SITUATION. BUT AS HAS BEEN ATTESTED TO, AND SINCE 23, IT HAS BEEN IN THIS CONDITION OR WORSE. BUT CURRENTLY, WHAT'S BEFORE YOU IS WHETHER THAT PROPERTY IS IN THE CONDITION THAT IT CURRENTLY EXISTS IN. AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED, BUT THAT'S WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW. AND THERE AND THERE IS NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN UNLESS UNLESS THERE'S FURTHER. OH. DECLARATIONS FROM OUR LAND [00:40:04] DEVELOPMENT OFFICE THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S NO DEMOLITION THAT FOLLOWS THIS WITHOUT ANOTHER RESOLUTION, AM I CORRECT? YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. SO AS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WAS SAYING, WE'RE HERE JUST TO SAY THAT THIS THIS STRUCTURE IS UNSOUND. THAT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO PUT IT IN THE DEMOLITIONS PROGRAM AND AT A AT A LATER DATE. AND HE WOULD GET HE WOULD GET A NOTICE ON THAT. SO, ERIC, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TIME TO, TO, TO DO, TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. THAT'S RIGHT. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE TIME, WE'RE GOING TO TEAR THAT DOWN. FAIR ENOUGH, FAIR ENOUGH, GOOD ENOUGH. ALRIGHT. THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE DECLARE A PUBLIC NUISANCE. MOVE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE DECLARATION STRUCTURE BE A PUBLIC NUISANCE AND ORDERING THE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ZONING AND ZONING. RECOMMENDATION. RECOMMENDATION 26 0005. HOOPER AND CHANDLER. COMMISSIONER. WE DO HAVE THE THE REMAINING BATCH 11 PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE. OH I'M SORRY. YEAH. WE DO KNOW ONE. PUT MY GLASSES BACK ON. WE HAVE. ZONING. GO AHEAD. YES, SIR. SO YOUR NEXT RESOLUTION ITEM IS JUST TO. IT'S THE SAME PROCESS. THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME BEFORE US, HE WAS CONTESTING THE THE DECLARATION OF A PUBLIC NUISANCE. AND THESE ARE THE REMAINING PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE BATCH TO GO INTO THE DEMOLITIONS PROGRAM THAT ARE ALL. MOST OF THEM ARE LOCATED IN THE SOUTHWESTERN PORTION OF THE COUNTY. I DO WANT TO ADD A NOTE THAT 63, 56 AND 6366 POCAHONTAS ROAD. THOSE WERE TORN DOWN BY. AS A PART OF A TRAINING EXERCISE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO WE DO HAVE PICTURES OF THOSE SITES. WE FOUND THOSE AFTER PRE-COMMISSION OR WE OUR INSPECTOR WENT OUT THERE AFTER PRE-COMMISSION ON TUESDAY AFTERNOON. THE ONLY THING THEY REALLY HAVE LEFT IS JUST SOME DEBRIS TO REMOVE. THOSE OTHER ONES. 71 YOU'RE YOU'RE ADDRESSING NUMBER 71 ON OUR ON OUR LIST. YES. IT WASN'T THEN. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. IF THOSE ARE NOT PUBLIC HEARING. NO SIR. IT'S NOT PUBLIC. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. BUT I'M SORRY. THAT'S THAT'S MY AREA. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS PREMATURE, I MISSED THAT. THAT'S FINE. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T ADDRESS THAT ONE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. YOU HAD YOU HAD ME REALLY REELING FOR A MINUTE, JOHN. I WAS I WAS TRYING TO LOOK SEE WHAT I DID WRONG. NO, IT WAS ME. IT WAS ME. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. LET'S GO BACK TO THAT. Z 26 0003. M H P OWNER PETER PRATT, AGENT REQUESTED CHANGE ZONING TO R5B MOBILE HOME PARK FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE EXISTING MOBILE HOME PARK. SO THIS IS A MOBILE HOME PARK THAT'S OUT IN THE OUTSIDE OF THE ZONING ON THE. THE SUBJECT SITE IS C ONE FOR COMMERCIAL. AND THIS IS REALLY JUST TO BRING THE ENTIRE SITE INTO COMPLIANCE. THERE'S ALREADY MOBILE HOMES ON THAT PARCEL AND IT'S REALLY JUST A COMPLIANCE SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, REPLACE THEM AND DO REPAIRS AS NEEDED. PA'S RECOMMENDATION IN THIS CASE WAS APPROVAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. LIKE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING OF Z 26 0003. IS ANYONE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO THIS? SEEING NONE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION MOVE. THE ITEM ITEMS MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE ON THE ZONING ISSUES. IT REQUIRES THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES AND THAT SINCE WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE HERE, IF ANYONE. COMMISSIONER DENIES THAT THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE FAILS. THE NEXT IS Z 26 00052. FOR CHANDLER PROPERTIES. THEY WANT TO PUT A MINI STORAGE THERE AT THE END OF 15TH STREET. YES, SIR. ADAM. THE CONCORD COMMUNITY, IT'S JUST INDOOR CLIMATE CONTROLLED STORAGE FACILITY. AND SO IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED C ONE UNDER THE PREVIOUS ZONING ORDINANCE UPDATE, STORAGE FACILITIES WERE MOVED TO THE I ONE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL CATEGORY. AND PAZ'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS CASE WAS TO THAT IT APPROVAL BUT BE LIMITED TO MINI STORAGE SO THAT OTHER MORE ADVERSE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES ARE TAKING PLACE. AND THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THAT IS THAT THIS SITE DOES BACK UP TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS. AND THERE ARE MANY STORAGES THERE RIGHT IN THAT AREA. YES, SIR. CORRECT. [00:45:06] OKAY. LIKE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. Z 26 0005. IS ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS? SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. ADAM. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT IS IS A BEVERAGE CASE. WE HAVE ONE MORE. ONE MORE, ONE MORE. OKAY, WE GOT Z 26 0006. THAT'S GOING TO BE WILLIAM AND KELLY STRICKLAND. OWNERS REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO A ONE TO REMOVE ALL SPLIT ZONINGS FOR USE OF PROPERTY. THE ZONE LOOKS LIKE IT'S ZONED C1A1 AND I TWO. GO AHEAD. YES SIR. SO THIS IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY OUTSIDE OF THE WARRIOR AREA, AS YOU SAID SIR. IT'S GOT VARIOUS ZONING CATEGORIES ON IT COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND BASICALLY THIS IS JUST A DOWN ZONING BRINGING IT. THEY WANT TO DO AN AGRICULTURAL USE. IT'S OVER 60 ACRES. I THINK THEY'RE PLANNING IN THE FUTURE IS TO SUBDIVIDE IT. THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO SUBDIVIDE IT ANY FURTHER THAN ONE ACRE MINIMUMS WITHOUT ANOTHER REZONING ACTION FROM THE COUNTY COMMISSION. SO WE RECOMMENDED APPROVAL IN THIS CASE. ALL RIGHT. LIKE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. Z 26 0006. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ADDRESS THIS PARTICULAR MATTER? SEEING NONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. WILL THE ITEM ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WE'RE PAST NOW. LET'S GO TO THESE BEVERAGE CASES. B 26 0002 CLYDE BEAVER PROPERTIES. GO AHEAD. JOSH. YES, SIR. THIS IS A BEVERAGE CASE IN THE OUTSIDE OF THE TRUSSELL AREA. IT'S A CURRENTLY IT'S A SMALL WAREHOUSE AREA AND THEY'RE BASICALLY WANTING TO JUST ESTABLISH A LIQUOR STORE. THEY WE DID RECEIVE SOME PHONE CALLS OF PUBLIC OPPOSITION TO THIS CASE. IS THIS FOR GOING TO BE FOR WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE YOU SAID FOR STORAGE? NO, SIR. IT'S CURRENTLY A IT'S CURRENTLY A, A STORAGE FACILITY. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL STORAGE FACILITY BASED OFF THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT. THEY WANT TO MAKE A, A LIQUOR STORE OUT OF IT, A LIQUOR STORE. OKAY, OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. LIKE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING B 26 0002. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAKING TO THIS HEARING? LET'S SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT. DID YOU SIGN THE LIST, SIR DAVID BLACK? SHOULD BE THE FIRST ONE. B YEAH, THERE'S THERE'S THREE OF YOU. YOU'RE DAVID BLACK, DAVID RAMSEY AND JIM MILLER. GO AHEAD. THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS AN OLD PICTURE. IT WAS A STORAGE AREA, I THINK A LANDSCAPING COMPANY USED TO OWN IT, AND THEY STORED THEIR EQUIPMENT AND WHATEVER THEY NEEDED THERE. THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS THE CURRENT BUILDING, AND THERE ARE ONE, I THINK 1 OR 2 OTHER TENANTS CURRENTLY THERE, A ROOFING COMPANY. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE OTHER ONE IS, BUT ANYWAY, I AM OPPOSED TO IT. I'VE LIVED ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS GLENDALE FARMS ROAD FOR 34 YEARS. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD, RAISED OUR TWO SONS THERE AND CURRENTLY RAISING TWO OF HELPING RAISE TWO OF OUR FIVE GRANDSONS. THE ENTRANCE OF MEADOWVIEW DRIVE, WHICH IS JUST THIS SIDE OF THAT, IS UNDER, IS JUST OVER A 10TH OF A MILE. I WOULD ESTIMATE 5 TO 700FT FROM THE ENTRANCE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I ALSO DRIVE A SCHOOL BUS FOR THE CITY OF TRUSSVILLE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I DRIVE IN. I TRANSPORT ABOUT 100 STUDENTS A DAY, IS ABOUT 2500 TO 3000FT FROM THIS LOCATION. MULTIPLE SCHOOL BUSSES GO INTO MEADOWVIEW DRIVE, AND THERE'S ALSO CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW HOME THAT'S PROBABLY LESS THAN 500FT FROM THIS LOCATION. AND I'M ESTIMATING THAT THERE WILL BE A BUS STOP AT THAT LOCATION. EXCUSE ME, SINCE IT'S NOT THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE IS NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL, SO IT WOULD BE ITS OWN STOP. THE THOUGHT THAT MY FAMILY, ESPECIALLY MY GRANDSONS OR THE STUDENTS THAT I DRIVE EVERY DAY WITH THE INCREASED PROBABILITY [00:50:03] OF PASSING AN INDIVIDUAL UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL, WITH THE PROPOSED PROPOSED LIQUOR STORE BEING SO CLOSE IS VERY CONCERNING. TWO TIMES IN THE PAST YEAR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I DELIVER IN. EXCUSE ME, THERE HAVE BEEN INCIDENTS INVOLVING SOMEONE UNDER THE INFLUENCE, EITHER DESTROYING PERSONAL PROPERTY OF ONE OF MY FAMILY MEMBERS, OR STOPPING AND ASKING MY OTHER SON, DID I HIT SOMETHING? THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS UNDER THE INFLUENCE. HE DROVE UP TO MY SON AND ASKED HIM, DID I HIT SOMETHING? AND MY SON LOOKED AT HIM AND SAID, NO, YOU DIDN'T. HE SAID, OKAY. I WAS CONCERNED THAT I HIT ONE OF YOUR KIDS. THAT'S HOW BAD THIS INDIVIDUAL WAS ALREADY UNDER THE. THAT WAS UNDER THE INFLUENCE. SO THAT'S MY HEIGHTENED CONCERN. JUST FOR THE SAFETY. THIS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS, LIKE I SAID, I'M ONE ONE OF ABOUT TEN BUSSES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S FULL OF KIDS. WELL, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? JUST OKAY? YOU'LL GET AN OPPORTUNITY IN A MINUTE. PLEASE GO AHEAD. I'M GOING TO CONCLUDE WITH A STORY THAT EVEN RAISES MY CONCERN. I'M A RETIRED UPS DRIVER AND A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE. HE DELIVERED. HIS NAME WAS EDDIE. OUGHT HE DELIVERED TO MY HOUSE? I JUST HAPPENED TO DELIVER IT TO HIS HOUSE WHEN EVERY. WITHOUT FAILURE, EVERY MONDAY MORNING I'D COME INTO WORK AND EDDIE WOULD LOOK AT ME AND HE'D SAY, BROTHER DAVE, I DIDN'T SEE YOU AT CHURCH YESTERDAY. AND I'D ALWAYS NICKNAMED HIM BIG HEARTED, BIG HEARTED EDDIE. I SAID BIG HEARTED. I WAS THERE AND HE SAID, NO, YOU WEREN'T. HE SAID, I SIT IN THE CAR AND I SAID, HE WHO COMES IN LATE? AND I SAY, WHO LEAVES EARLY? AND YOU WEREN'T THERE. AND THAT WOULD GO ON FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. WELL, ONE DAY EDDIE WAS OVER AT MY HOUSE AND HE TOLD ME, HE SAID, DAVID, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT YOU. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU NEED TO BE DOING. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR SON. HE NEEDS SOMEBODY. HE NEEDS A SPIRITUAL LEADER. HE NEEDS HIS DADDY TO LEAD HIM TO CHURCH, WHERE IN TURN, HE CAN FIND HIS WAY TO THE LORD. SO NOT LONG AFTER THAT, THAT WEIGHED ON ME TREMENDOUSLY. I THOUGHT ABOUT IT ON A DAILY BASIS. BUT NOT LONG AFTER THAT, I GOT A CALL ONE SATURDAY MORNING, SAID EDDIE WAS KILLED. HE WAS RUN OVER BY A DRUNK DRIVER ON THE WAY TO HIM AND HIS SON GOING ON A FISHING TRIP. EDDIE HAD NOTICED A FISHING ROD ON THE BACK OF HIS BOAT BOUNCING AROUND, AND SO HE STOPPED, PULLED OVER ON THE INTERSTATE, AND WENT BACK THERE TO SECURE IT. AND AS HE CAME BACK UP AND OPENED THE DOOR AND WAS TALKING TO HIS SON, THIS GUY THAT WAS HIGHLY UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL JUST RAN OVER HIM, DRUG HIM A FEW HUNDRED, FEW HUNDRED FEET DOWN THE ROAD. HIS SON IS OVER HIS BODY AS HIS LIFE LEAVES HIS BODY TALKING TO HIM. SO. AND THIS AFFECTED BOTH OF HIS BOYS TO THE POINT THAT BOTH OF THEM BECAME JEFFERSON COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES, JUST WHERE THEY COULD DO THEIR FATHER'S MEMORY WOULDN'T BE IN VAIN, AND THEY COULD TRY TO DO WHAT THEY COULD DO TO KEEP OTHER PEOPLE FROM FACING THIS BY KEEPING DRUNK DRIVERS OFF THE ROAD. ALL RIGHT. WELL, UNDERSTAND? YES, SIR. WE'RE GOOD. AND THAT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF WANDERING ON IT. WELL, I DO WANT TO SAY I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND YOUR OPPOSITION, AND YOU HAVE MR. RAMSEY, YOUR THAT'S YOUR NEIGHBOR. TWO QUESTIONS. I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF SOMEBODY CAN TELL ME ANY KIND OF POSITIVE OUTCOME THAT CAN COME FROM A LIQUOR STORE THIS CLOSE TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IF THIS WAS ONE OF Y'ALL'S WITH WHAT I'VE SAID, WOULD YOU WANT THIS TO BE ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD? I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THAT'S RIGHT. YOU LET'S LET'S HEAR FROM JIM MILLER. HE HE LIVES ON A DIFFERENT STREET. AND TELL ME BOTH OF BOTH OF YOU, MISTER BLACK, MR. RAMSEY LIVE ON ON MEADOWVIEW, RIGHT? YEAH. AND AND YOU LIVE, JIM, YOU LIVE ON RIDGE, RIDGE CIRCLE, SIR. TELL ME WHERE THAT IS. IN A LOCATION TO THIS. IT'S WAY DOWN THE ROAD. IT'S CLOSER TO BIRMINGHAM THAN IT IS. WELL, YEAH, IT'S CLOSER TO BIRMINGHAM THAN IT IS TO THIS LOCATION, SIR. AND WHAT IS YOUR INTEREST IN? I'M A TRUSSVILLE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND PLACE FOR. AND SO THESE ARE MY CONSTITUENTS AND THIS IS MY CONSTITUENCY. NUFF SAID. DO YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD? YEAH. YOU'RE GOOD. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP HERE AGAINST IT. RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT NOW. HEY, GOOD MORNING GUYS. GOOD MORNING. NAME, ADDRESS? MY NAME IS PHILIP LEGGETT, AND MY ADDRESS IS 109 LAKE RIDGE DRIVE IN COVINGTON. SO I LIVE IN THE [00:55:07] NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THAT'S THAT'S CLOSE TO WHERE I LIVE. AND CURRENTLY I ALSO HAVE KIDS. I HAVE THREE KIDS. I DON'T WANT THEM TO DRINK. AND IT'S, I'M NOT DOING THIS JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO ENCOURAGE SOMEONE TO DRINK. THIS IS AN OFF PREMISE. SO WE DON'T SELL. NOBODY OPENED THE BOTTLES. RIGHT NOW. I DO HAVE A LIQUOR STORE CALLED CHELSEA BLUES IN ANOTHER LOCATION, BUT THIS IS OFF PREMISES. SO WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUE WITH PEOPLE COMING IN, BUYING IT AND OPENING THE BOTTLES. SO WE SPECIFICALLY SAY THIS IS AN OFF PREMISE DRINKING, SO WE DON'T SEE PEOPLE COMING IN SOBER AND THEN THEY LEAVE OUT DRUNK. SO WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT SITUATION. AND THIS LOCATION IS QUIET LOCATION. LIKE IF YOU GO THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF WOODS. A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK ME WHY YOU WANT TO OPEN THIS DOOR RIGHT HERE. IT'S HIGHWAY 11 ON THE LEFT SIDE, IT'S GLENDALE FARMS. WE USED TO HAVE A LOT OF COWS, A LOT OF ANIMALS THERE. SO THERE'S NO HOUSES ON ONE SIDE. FROM THE GATE. THE THE GATE IS MAYBE ONE MINUTE, BUT THE NEXT NEAREST CHURCH IS 0.88 MILES AWAY. SO. SO IT'S FAR FROM THE BUILDING. THE NEXT SCHOOL, THE DAYCARE IS ALMOST TWO MILES DOWN, SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SCHOOL KIDS AROUND THERE. AND EVEN THE THE BUSSES WHO DRIVE THERE, YOU DON'T SEE PEOPLE STOPPING THERE. NOW, THE REASON WHY I WANT TO HAVE THIS, THIS LIQUOR SITE ON THIS SIDE IS BECAUSE IT'S A PATTERN. I ALSO WANT TO BE ABLE TO EDUCATE MY KIDS. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE MONEY. I USED TO WORK AT WAFFLE HOUSE A LONG TIME AGO, AND I WANTED TO LEAVE THAT AND DO SOMETHING, SOMETHING THAT I CAN BE INDEPENDENT, BE ABLE TO RAISE, SAVE SOME MONEY ENOUGH TO SEND MY KIDS TO COLLEGE. SO I'M NOT DOING THIS JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SOMEBODY ELSE DEPENDENT ON THAT. SO WE DID NOT ACTIVELY ENCOURAGE THAT. AND THE HOURS JUST 10:00 TO 8:00, PEOPLE GO HOME. NOBODY'S GOING TO BE THERE BEYOND 10:00. IT'S JUST COME IN AND GO OUT. ABOUT THE BUS, SCHOOL BUS, DRIVING THROUGH THE LOCATION. I THE OTHER LOCATION WE HAVE, I HAVE SHELL GAS STATION ALREADY AND I HAVE A LIQUOR STORE AND WE SEE CARS DRIVING THERE ALMOST EVERY DAY. IT'S CLOSE, BUT IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE BUSSES GOING THROUGH THERE. IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE SCHOOLS THROUGH THERE. AND THIS IS WAY FAR FROM SCHOOL. ONE THING THAT WE DO AT MY OTHER LOCATION IS CHECK THE ID. IF ANYBODY LOOKS LIKE YOUNGER THAN 35 YEARS OLD, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THEIR ID TO BUY THE ALCOHOL OR TO BUY ANY TOBACCO. SO I AM A COMMUNITY MEMBER. I GO TO CHURCH. I GO TO LIVE CHURCH BIRMINGHAM IN TRUSSVILLE. SO I'M A FAMILY MEMBER, SO I'M NOT DOING THIS JUST TO MAKE SURE TO, TO, TO MAKE PEOPLE DRUNK. NO, I'M IF ANYBODY. A LOT OF TIMES WHEN SOMEBODY COMES TO MY STORE AND THEY TELL ME THAT MAYBE THEY WANT TO LEAVE ALCOHOL, THEY WANT TO QUIT, I ENCOURAGE THEM. I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WANT TO QUIT, I'M OKAY WITH THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT THERE JUST TO MAKE YOU STUCK THERE. IF YOU WANT TO MOVE ON, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. SO THIS LOCATION, THE ONLY REASON WHY I CHOSE THIS LOCATION IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT TOO FAR FROM WHERE I LIVE. IF SOMETHING HAPPENED AND I NEED TO SHOW UP IN THE STORE, IT'S ABOUT TEN LESS THAN TEN MINUTES FROM MY HOUSE. IF IT'S 8:00, I NEED TO GO CLOSE THE STORE. IT'S MORNING O'CLOCK. IT'S MORNING TIME. OR IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE, I WANT TO BE THERE. I WANT TO BE CLOSE. MY CURRENT LOCATION IS ABOUT 30 MINUTES. SO SOMETIME I FEEL LIKE I WANT TO BE CLOSE TO THAT LOCATION. AND THAT'S WHY I WANT TO MOVE THIS LOCATION. AND I HAVE ONE OTHER THING, ONE OTHER CONSIDERATION ALSO THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE DOING BUSINESS, YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE PROFIT. BUT IF YOU'RE DOING BUSINESS AND YOU'RE NOT MAKING ANY PROFIT, THEN THERE'S NO POINT OF MAKING THAT BUSINESS. YOU CANNOT MAKE BUSINESS. YOU YOU CANNOT MAKE ANY MONEY. YOU [01:00:01] CANNOT SAVE ANY MONEY. YOU CANNOT HELP ANYBODY RIGHT NOW. I GOT THIS PROPERTY AND I GOT A GOOD RENTAL, GOOD LEASE, MONTHLY LIST, THE LOCATION I DO RIGHT NOW, I PAY A LOT AND SOMETIME, MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, I MAY WANT TO RELOCATE AND JUST STAY THERE AND BE ABLE TO PAY REASONABLE RENT WHERE I CAN MAKE GOOD MONEY AND ALSO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THAT'S MY COMMUNITY TOO. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT YOU WANT? YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, YOU GOT SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN YOU THAN YOUR NEIGHBOR. ALL RIGHT. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, COMMISSIONERS, I'M DAVID RAMSEY AND I HAVE BEEN LIKE DAVID BLACK THERE 34 YEARS. WHEN WE MOVED IN OUT THERE, THERE WAS NOTHING THERE. TRUSTFUL HAS GROWN BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS. THE TRAFFIC IS HORRIBLE. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LET ME RIGHT THERE IN THAT LITTLE INTERSECTION IS GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE. BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU, THEY'RE OPENING IT RIGHT THERE JUST INSIDE THE JEFFERSON COUNTY LINE BECAUSE SAINT CLAIR COUNTY, SAINT CLAIR COUNTY DOES NOT SELL ON SUNDAYS. THEY'RE GOING TO COME DOWN THERE STARTING WHENEVER HE OPENS ON SUNDAY. AND I'M LISTEN, I CAN'T JUDGE. I CAN JUST TELL YOU WHAT I HAVE SEEN AND IT HAPPENS. THEY'LL COME DOWN AND GET THEIR FIRST BATCH, GO WHEREVER, PARTY, DRINK AND GET ON THE ROAD AND COME BACK DOWN THERE AND GET THEIR SECOND BATCH. ARE YOU GOING TO BE SELLING? ARE YOU GOING TO BE SELLING DRINKS, SOFT DRINKS AND STUFF ICE IN THAT STORE? YES. RIGHT NOW JUST TO. YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, SIR. I'M SORRY. OKAY. FORGIVE ME. I'M WOUND UP ABOUT IT. OKAY, WELL, NO WIND DOWN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE EVERYTHING WILL BE ALL RIGHT. I'M JUST. I'M JUST TELLING YOU. I UNDERSTAND. WE DO NOT. MA'AM. SIR, WE DO NOT WANT IT THERE. AND NONE OF MY NEIGHBORS WANT IT THERE. I WAS EXPECTING SEVERAL OTHERS TO BE HERE THIS MORNING. WE DO NOT WANT THE STORE THERE. IT IS A YOU KNOW, IT TOOK ME A LONG TIME WHEN I WOULD SEE THE SIGN A, B, C BEVERAGES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT A, B, C MEANS A BAD CHOICE. AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T WANT IT THERE. AND I'M GOING TO ASK YOU HUMBLY NOT TO ALLOW THEM TO PUT THAT STORE RIGHT THERE IN OUR FRONT DOORS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH US? CAN I JUST ASK FOR HIS LOCATION CURRENTLY? IS HIS CURRENT LOCATION? YEAH, I WAS GOING TO I WAS GOING TO ASK IF HE'S RAISED HIS HAND. I CAN ASK HIM ON THAT. DID YOU GIVE ONE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO MY BROTHER AND AND DURING THAT TIME, WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE WHERE YOUR CURRENT LOCATION IS AND OH, HOW MANY I'LL ASK. I'LL ASK THE QUESTION, HOW MANY LOCATIONS DO YOU HAVE? THE LOCATION IS CLAY-CHALKVILLE CLAY. YOU HAVE ONE IN CLAY-CHALKVILLE AND THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER LOCATION YOU HAVE. AND ON THE SIDE IT'S A LIQUOR STORE, JUST LIKE 2 IN 1 BUILDING. OKAY. DO YOU DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHERS? THAT'S THAT'S YOUR ONLY BUSINESS? NO, SIR. OKAY. NOW ABOUT THE LIQUOR WE HAVE NEXT TO WHERE THIS LOCATION IS LOCATED. WE HAVE A MEXICAN RESTAURANT. IT'S CALLED LA CAZUELA. THEY SELL LIQUOR THERE. I WOULD NOT BE WORRIED ABOUT THIS LOCATION. PEOPLE GETTING DRUNK THERE THAN PEOPLE WHO GO TO THE RESTAURANT. BECAUSE EVERY SUNDAY WHEN I COME FROM THE CHURCH, IT'S FULL. BUT THEY SELL LIQUOR THERE. I'VE SEEN TEQUILA, I'VE SEEN VODKA. SO PEOPLE DRINK THERE, BUT THEY DON'T DRINK THERE. WE DON'T ALLOW THAT. WE TELL THEM BY THE LAW WE CANNOT. WHEN THEY LEAVE THE BUILDING, WE HAVE TO PUT THEIR BEER OR THEIR LIQUOR IN THE BACK, BECAUSE YOU CANNOT JUST GO WITH AN OPEN CONTAINER. SO I WOULD NOT BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS LOCATION MORE THAN THE RESTAURANT THERE, BECAUSE THEY SELL ALCOHOL AND THE CUSTOMERS PURCHASE THEIR ALCOHOL THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILOR. SIR, WITH RESPECT, JUST THIS LAST STATEMENT. THEY DO WE IN THE CITY OF TRUSSVILLE, WE DO HAVE RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE LIQUOR LICENSE, BUT THEY DON'T GO THERE TO DRINK LIQUOR OR GET LIQUOR. THEY GO THERE TO ABIDE. AND THE FOOD THAT'S THERE, AND THEY MAY HAVE A DRINK WHILE THEY'RE THERE AS ADULTS, BUT [01:05:03] THEY DON'T GO THERE JUST FOR THE LIQUOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WELL. WELL NOTED. THANK YOU. THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED, MR. PRESIDENT, I HAD A SERIES OF QUESTIONS, PLEASE. YES. TO THE APPLICANT OR TO. YEAH, PROBABLY. YEAH, PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH. MR. PRESIDENT, TO THE APPLICANT. SIR, CAN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE? SO YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE ANOTHER LOCATION THAT'S IN CLAY. CHALKVILLE HAVE YOU HAD ANY INCIDENTS TO OCCUR ON THAT PROPERTY? NO, MA'AM. I'VE NEVER HAD ANY HAVE ANY CITATIONS. I'VE WORKED THERE AND I'VE WORKED IN THE GAS STATION FOR A LONG TIME. EVEN BEFORE JOINING WAFFLE HOUSE, I USED TO WORK IN THE GAS STATION. I'VE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUE PERSONALLY AND IN MY BUSINESS. I'VE NEVER HAD ANY CITATION OR ANY ISSUE OR ANY POLICE INVOLVEMENT. SO LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. HAVE YOU HAD TO APPLY FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE IN CLAY CHALKVILLE? YES, IN ORDER TO OPERATE. ARE YOU ASKING? IN ORDER TO OPERATE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE, RIGHT? DID YOU PROPERLY APPLY FOR IT? WERE YOU APPROVED? YES, MA'AM. AND HAVE YOU HAD ANY OPPOSITION AS IT RELATES TO THE CITY OF CLAY, CHALKVILLE AND THE RELATIONS OF THE WAY YOU OPERATE YOUR BUSINESS? NO, MA'AM. I HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF CLAY. I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE RIGHT NOW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT. THANK YOU. SO, BEING A FORMER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, I UNDERSTAND YOU, COUNCILOR. OKAY. BUT THE REASON WHY I ASKED HIM AS IT RELATES TO THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS OF THE LEGAL OPINION, AND THAT'S WHY YOU SAW ME STEP DOWN AND GO TO OUR COUNCIL. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CITE A LEGAL REASON WHY. IF WE TAKE A POSITION TO DENY ANYONE A PERMIT OR LICENSING OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, YOU GOT TO BE ABLE TO NOT ALLOW FOR THE APPLICANT TO THEN GO THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM AND STILL OBTAIN WHAT YOU DIDN'T WANT THEM TO OBTAIN, RIGHT. SO THAT WAS WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION, WHAT LEGAL FOOTING DID WE HAD? BECAUSE HERE'S THE THING, YOU'RE IN A AREA THAT OBVIOUSLY IS ALREADY SELLING ALCOHOL, EVEN IF THEY'RE CONSUMING FOOD, BUT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONSUME ALCOHOL, RIGHT? AND YOU'RE IN AN AREA THAT'S NOT ADJACENT TO WHAT OUR CONCERNS WOULD BE, WHICH WOULD BE A DAYCARE OR SCHOOL OR A CHURCH. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN? AND THE THING IS, IS THAT IT'S AN OFF PREMISE LIQUOR LICENSE. THAT'S THE OPERATIVE PHRASE, AT LEAST FOR ME, BECAUSE IF IT'S ON PREMISE, I'M ABLE TO WALK OUT OF THAT STORE AND BE ABLE TO CONSUME, AND THEN THINGS HAPPEN. JUST LIKE WHAT THE GENTLEMAN WAS STATING ABOUT HIS GOOD FRIEND. RIGHT. BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT I'M TAKING IT AND I'M GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEN THAT'S DIFFERENT. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS HIS HISTORY IN THE CITY THAT HE'S ALREADY DOING BUSINESS IN. BECAUSE IF HE HAD ANY KIND OF PRIOR OFFENSES, THEN THAT WOULD GIVE US A LEGAL FOOTING, AT LEAST FOR ME, TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT KIND OF PATTERNS THAT HAVE HAPPENED WITH THIS OTHER BUSINESS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO WHEN IT COMES TO US, WE ARE SITTING IN AND IT'S NOT MY DISTRICT, BUT WE ARE SITTING IN THE SEAT OF SO WHAT WOULD WE BE DOING? THAT'S UNPRECEDENTED? BECAUSE IN THIS CASE, IF IT WERE NOT FOR SOME OPPOSITION THAT WE'RE HEARING THIS MORNING, IF IT'S IN A JUST A AREA THAT'S AWAY FROM THOSE THINGS OF INTEREST, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT BECAUSE IT DOES NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE IMPACT IN TERMS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT SURROUNDS THAT WE COULD HAVE LEGAL FOOTING ON. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO I DON'T EVER WANT ANYONE TO GO AWAY. I'M ONE. BEFORE I MAKE A DECISION, I WANT YOU TO AT LEAST UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM. YEAH. AND, AND AND, AND CERTAINLY NONE OF US WOULD SUPPORT DRUNK DRIVING, ANYONE BEING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OR ANY OF THAT. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND IF YOU DO HAVE A BUSINESS THAT ALCOHOL CAN BE CONSUMED, WHATEVER WAY THAT IT IS CONSUMED, HOWEVER YOU GET DRUNK IS THE WAY YOU GET DRUNK. IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT IT'S TRUE. SO WHETHER YOU'RE CONSUMING FOOD AND ALCOHOL AND ONE LEADS TO ANOTHER. BUT THE THING IS, IS THAT THAT'S WHY WE WERE KIND OF ASKING IN DURING COMMISSION MEETING A COMMITTEE MEETING THE OTHER DAY. AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT THIS COUNTY PERSONNEL ON THE SPOT, BUT I'M LOOKING AT HIM AND HE'S LIKE, WELL, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY THAT'S IN THAT AREA. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, WELL, WHAT'S IN THE AREA? WHAT'S WHAT'S NEARBY? AM I MAKING SENSE? SO I KNOW THE PRESIDING COMMISSIONER IS NOT HERE. THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE TOOK A POSITION THAT WOULD, I BELIEVE IS UNPRECEDENTED DUE TO THE [01:10:05] LOCATION AND IT BEING OFF PREMISE, THEN I WOULD BE CONCERNED THAT THEY PROBABLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO BACK AND GET A LICENSE, EXCEPT THEY BE GOING THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM INSTEAD. AM I MAKING SENSE, COUNSELOR? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION THAT I WAS ASKING GOD FOR TODAY. I WAS WONDERING, THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED. I TOO, AND I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION IS, IS THE SALE OF ALCOHOL? LEGAL AND APPROVAL IN I TO YES, SIR. YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO APPROVE IT. SO C ONE USE IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT UNDER LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. WHICH WOULD BE THE THE SALE OF ALCOHOL OFF PREMISES SALE OF ALCOHOL. SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY SELL ALCOHOL OUT OF A MINI STORAGE. WELL, I DON'T I'M NOT SURE YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S, THAT WAS MY QUESTION AND AND YOU THE ANSWER WOULD HAVE TO BE YES, THEY'RE BOTH APPROVED. YES, SIR. YOU ALL WOULD STILL HAVE TO. YOU CAN SELL ALCOHOL OUT OF A MINI STORE. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. HOLD ON, MR. PRESIDENT, BEFORE YOU CLOSE. RIGHT. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THIS THIS FACILITY IS GOING TO STILL BE A MINI STORAGE? IT COULD BE. NO, I GET THAT, HONEY, BUT I'M SAYING IS THAT IS THAT WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE? NO, MA'AM. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT COMMERCIAL USE, LIKE RETAIL USE, IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE IN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREAS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS, WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE? HOLD ON. LET ME I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M SAYING MY POSITION. RIGHT. YEAH. YOU CAN. SO WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO VOTE ON THAT. OH, WE'RE VOTING FOR OR AGAINST ITEM 002. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY OPPOSITION TO IT. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M VOTING ACCORDINGLY. YEAH. BUT FOR THE REASONS I STATED, COUNCILOR. WOULD WOULD YOU KNOW, DO YOU NEED A MOTION? SO MOVED. SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY. YES, SIR. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT AS FROM THE CHAIR. ROLL CALL. VOTE ON THIS ONE. ALICIA. COMMISSIONER. VOTING. YES. COMMISSIONER. NIGHT. COMMISSIONER. SEALS. NO. COMMISSIONER. YES. THE MOTION HAS PASSED 2 TO 1 TO DENY THIS. THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT WE HAVE BEVERAGE CASE B 26 0003. THIS IS IN MY AREA. IT'S A PROPERTY OWNER AN APPLICANT DOING DOING BUSINESS. MCCULLOUGH COUNTRY COOKING. REQUEST APPROVAL OF A RETAIL BEER OFF PREMISE ONLY AND A RETAIL TABLE WINE OFF PREMISE ONLY. AND IT'S DOWN ON 4476 BELLE HILL ROAD. THAT IS THAT AREA THAT IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE MIDWEST HOSPITAL. YES, SIR. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE I'D LIKE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE IN FAVOR OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO THIS? I'M THE ONE WHO'S PRESENTING IT. YOU'RE ALL RIGHT. YOU ARE THE APPLICANT YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. CHAIR LEONARD. COUNTER MOTION. MR. PRESIDENT, SO DID WE HAVE ANY OPPOSITION PRIOR? THERE WAS NO OPPOSITION. THERE WAS NONE. AND THERE'S NO OPPOSITION. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD SAY THAT IF I JUST SIT THERE. OKAY. MOVE TO APPROVE. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO. YOU'RE OKAY. OKAY. OH, I SAW SOME GROUP OF PEOPLE COME IN. ONE THING THAT WE WE NEED TO DO THAT. THAT. THAT I DID NOT DO WOULD BE TO GO BACK AND APPROVE THE MINUTES. I'VE GOT A STAR ON. [01:15:11] WHO DO WE NEED TO HAVE THEM. SO I'D LIKE TO BACK UP AND ASK FOR IS THERE ANY ADDITIONS, CORRECTIONS OR REVISIONS TO OUR COMMISSION MEETINGS ON MARCH THE 19TH. CHAIR WOULD WOULD LOVE TO TO HAVE ALICIA READ THOSE ALOUD AND I MOVE, MR. PRESIDENT, THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR MARCH 19TH, 2026. SO AS STATED. YES. OKAY. SECOND ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. THANK YOU. NOW I'LL GET BACK TO WHAT I WHAT WE WERE DOING. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, MR. PRESIDENT. YES. OKAY. I DO WANT TO SAY THIS FOR THE FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, SIR, IF YOU DON'T MIND, THIS ITEM HAS ALREADY. THE ONE THAT WE JUST. APPROVED IN SIX. OKAY. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW IT. I'M READING IT AND IT SEEMS SO SIMILAR. AND WE DID 1 IN 1 REGARD. AND THEN WITH THIS WE APPROVED IT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, MR. PRESIDENT, THAT BEST WAY I CAN SAY THIS IS, IS AFTER THIS MEETING, LEGAL, I WANT YOU TO SHOW ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 5 AND 6. AFTER THE MEETING HELPED ME TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE I WHATEVER I DO, I WANT TO BE FAIR IN HOW I VOTE. PLEASE. ALL RIGHT, MR. PRESIDENT. ALL RIGHT. I DIDN'T WANT US TO GET TOO FAR FROM THE ITEM. SO THEN YOU WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS [VIII. RESOLUTIONS 1 - 82] REFERRING TO. COMMISSIONERS, YOU HAVE 82 RESOLUTIONS THAT WE PROPERLY VETTED IN OUR TUESDAY MEETING. IS THERE ANY ONE THAT A PARTICULAR COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO PULL FOR CONSIDERATION? YES, SIR. MR. PRESIDENT, I HAD A QUESTION AS IT RELATES TO ITEM NUMBER 14 ON PAGE NUMBER FOUR. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN YOU HAD ONE, IF YOU DON'T MIND, SIR, FROM THE DAIS I'D LIKE TO ADD. AND THAT WAS FOR ARMS. I WAS LOOKING AT AN EMAIL JUST NOW, AND IF I CAN FIND. WITH ARMS. PLEASE FORGIVE ME, MR. PRESIDENT. I WAS ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR THIS BEFORE I GOT NUMBER 58. OKAY. IT'S FOR ARMS. AND SO, MR. PRESIDENT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, FROM THE DAIS, I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THAT. AFTER MURPHY AND I TALKED ABOUT SOMETHING ON YESTERDAY, I WILL BE IN A POSITION TO ADD MONEY TO THAT. I HAVE THAT IN MY DISTRICT. THAT'S THE REASON WHY I ASKED. SO ITEMS NUMBER 14 AND 58, IF WE CAN JUST PULL THOSE TO THE SIDE. THOSE FOR THE SIDE. YES, SIR. AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON WITH ITEMS ONE THROUGH ONE THROUGH 82. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO SAY. WELL, ONE THROUGH 82. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO TO APPROVE ITEMS ONE THROUGH 82, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 14 AND 58, WHICH WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. YES, SIR. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER, ITEM NUMBER 14. YES, SIR. I WANTED ESPECIALLY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WITH THE COUNTY LAW DEPARTMENT, WE FOLLOW WHAT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF STRINGENT REQUESTS, AND WE DON'T MIND IN OUR OFFICE. BUT I WANT TO KNOW THIS SUMMER TUTORIAL PROGRAM. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT FOR BIRMINGHAM CITY SCHOOLS AND IF THEY ARE, ARE THEY TO DISTRICT TWO ONLY? BECAUSE MY STAFF, YOU KNOW, LOOKED IN IN THE ATTACHMENT AND IT DOESN'T LIST, BUT I KNOW WHEN WE HAVE TO DO GRANT REQUESTS, IT IS ALWAYS WE HAVE TO OUTLINE WHAT PARTICIPANTS IN TERMS OF SCHOOLS THAT THEY ARE, AND I DON'T I WE COULDN'T FIND OUT WHAT THEY WERE. AS IT RELATES TO THIS ITEM. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A DISTRICT TWO REPRESENTATIVE HERE. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YES, SIR. THE PROGRAM BEING OFFERED BY BRILLIANT KIDS IS OPEN TO STUDENTS FROM AROUND THE COUNTY, AND IT IS DONE IN THE SUMMERTIME. THE THE THE NONPROFIT DOES IT RIGHT UP THE STREET AT METROPOLITAN CHURCH, AND IT BRINGS THE KIDS IN AND THEY GO THROUGH STEM PROGRAMS, STEM TRAINING FOR ALL THE KIDS. IT'S OPEN TO EVERY KID IN JEFFERSON COUNTY. SO, MR. PRESIDENT, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID BECAUSE I DON'T GET INTO ANYBODY ELSE'S DISTRICT. NOW, YOU ALL CAN APPROVE IT HOW YOU CHOOSE, BUT I'M GOING TO STAND AT THAT. IF THE PRESIDING COMMISSIONER OR THE SPONSOR OF THIS WAS HERE, I WOULD SAY THE SAME IF SHE WAS HERE. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT I DO NOT WANT ANYTHING HAPPENING IN DISTRICT ONE THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN A CONVERSATION ABOUT, BECAUSE IT ALWAYS TURNS OUT TO BE SOMETHING MORE THAN WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE, AND [01:20:04] ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN COMMISSION DISTRICT ONE, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT I SPONSOR IT MYSELF. AND THIS. THEREFORE, WE CAN JUST. SO WITH THAT, HAVING SAID, MR. PRESIDENT, REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 14, I JUST WANT TO BE ASSURED THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE. FOR THOSE PARTICIPATING SCHOOLS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT DISTRICT, BECAUSE THIS HAS COME UP BEFORE, AND I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE. I DON'T. CAN COUNCIL CAN WE LEGALLY LIMIT THAT? OH, WELL, WE DO IT ALL THE TIME THOUGH. MR. PRESIDENT. AND COMMISSION ONE, WHENEVER WE DO SOMETHING, WE ARE ALWAYS RESTRICTED TO TELL US WHAT SCHOOLS TELL US WHEN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND I DON'T MIND. I KEEP TELLING Y'ALL WHATEVER WE DO IN PRINCIPLE, FOR ONE, AS LONG AS WE'RE DOING IT FOR EVERYONE, WE'RE GOOD. AND SO I DON'T MIND THAT. BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING TO OCCUR, I DON'T WANT IT HAPPENING IN MY SCHOOL. AND IT IS A PROGRAM THAT IS BEING SPONSORED BY ANOTHER DISTRICT, AND IT GIVES THE APPEARANCE AS THOUGH THE PRESIDING COMMISSIONER DOESN'T DO THE WORK THAT IS REQUIRED IN THEIR DISTRICT. THAT'S ONLY FAIR, MR. PRESIDENT. I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND AND AS LONG AND I WILL EVEN APPROVE IT, AS LONG AS IT'S RESTRICTED TO THOSE SCHOOLS THAT ARE IN COMMISSION DISTRICT TWO. EXCUSE ME. HOLD ON JUST A SECOND, MIKE. ONE LAST THING. THIS PROGRAM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THE YOUNG LADY WORKS FOR THE BOARD. BUT AND IS A TEACHER. BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BIRMINGHAM CITY SCHOOLS, JEFFERSON COUNTY SCHOOLS, NO CITY SCHOOLS. THIS IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT HAS A STEM EDUCATION PROGRAM THAT THEY OFFER TO STUDENTS IN THE SUMMERTIME. OKAY, BUT IS IT SCHOOL? IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH. SO IS IT BEING HELD OR HOSTED AT A SCHOOL? IS THE PROGRAM BEING PRESENTED AT A SCHOOL? METROPOLITAN C.M.E CHURCH, RIGHT DOWN HERE ON THE CORNER OF. RIGHT DOWN THERE ACROSS FROM THE LR HALL IN THAT LITTLE AREA RIGHT THERE ON THAT CORNER. YOU TALKING ABOUT BY CREED 363 AND ALL THAT? I WOULD SAY YES, BUT IT'S THE BLOCK BEHIND THAT CHURCH SITS ON THAT CORNER. THAT'S WHERE THE KIDS GO TO SCHOOL. AND THIS $5,000 DONATION IS ONLY A SMALL PORTION OF THE 60 TO $80,000 THAT THEY SPEND ON THE PROGRAM. OKAY, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT BEING HOSTED AT A SCHOOL. IT'S NOT AT HUFFMAN HIGH SCHOOL. IT DON'T HAVE TO JUST BE HUFFMAN ANY SCHOOL. OKAY. NOW, IF IT IF YOU'RE TELLING ME ON THE RECORD, ALICIA, IT IS BEING HELD AT METROPOLITAN. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THEN THAT'S THAT'S ON THE RECORD. AND THEN SO I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT ON THE RECORD BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF COMMISSION DISTRICT TWO OFFICE. THE OTHER ONE, MR. PRESIDENT, IS ITEM NUMBER 58. I WANTED TO ADD 5000, PLEASE, SIR, TO THAT ONE. NOW THAT I REALIZE WE DO HAVE FUNDS THAT HAVE JUST BECOME AVAILABLE, MURPH, IF YOU CAN MAKE A NOTE OF THAT. AND SO THEN THAT AMOUNT, MR. PRESIDENT, WOULD THEN BE AMENDED TO 25,000, SIR. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT IS IN THE DISTRICT. AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE. MAKING A MOTION, YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE MOVING FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM 14 AND THE ITEM 58 WITH THE AMENDMENT OF ADDITIONAL $5,000. YES, SIR. AND I SHALL MOVE AND WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE SOME FOLKS WHO CAME IN LATE, AND THEY THEY BROUGHT SOMETHING IN. WHAT WHAT YOU GOT, GUYS? YES. YES, MA'AM. PLEASE. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS SUSAN SELLERS. I'M THE CEO AT UNITED ABILITY AND THIS IS FOR OF MORE THAN 5800 INDIVIDUALS THAT WE HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH EVERY YEAR. AND WE BROUGHT A GIFT TO THANK THE COMMISSION. OH, FOR ALL THE EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WERE PAINTED BY THESE ADULTS THAT ARE IN OUR ADULT DAY PROGRAM TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE GRANT, AND WE TRULY APPRECIATE IT. WE HAVE ONE FOR COMMISSIONER KNIGHT, COMMISSIONER THYSSEN AS WELL. AND SO, LASHUNDA, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO TAKE THAT TO THE COMMISSIONER SCALE. NO, YOU CAN SAY LASHUNDA. THAT'S ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALRIGHT. THAT'S. AND TONY, IS THIS THE ONE YOU DID? DID YOU MAKE THIS ONE. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT TO COMMISSIONER. WE DID A LOT OF [01:25:01] BUSINESS TODAY BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE MOST ENJOYABLE. OKAY. AND THANKS. SO RIGHT THERE. AND ADAPTIVE ART IS ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THEY DO IN THE ADULT DAY PROGRAM. WE DO WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. THEY'D LOVE TO TELL YOU ABOUT THEIR JOBS. THEY DO ADAPTIVE RECREATION. THEY LEARN HOW TO COOK. THEY LEARN HOW TO LIVE INDEPENDENTLY. THEY LEARN HOW TO MANAGE A BUDGET AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS. SO IT MAY WE GET A PICTURE WITH, WOULD Y'ALL COME DOWN HERE TO THE THING? MICHELLE? YEAH, BABY. IF WE DO IT THIS WAY, WE CAN GET EVERYTHING RIGHT. COME ON, Y'ALL COME WITH ME. YEP, WE GOT IT. AND LOOK, WE'LL PUT COMMISSIONER THYSSEN, COMMISSIONER NOTES RIGHT UP THERE. MAKE SURE YOU WANT TO SIT. YOU WANT TO TAKE COMMISSIONER, RIGHT? COME ON. RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH. WE'RE ELEVATING YOU TODAY. THERE YOU ARE. OKAY. NOW WHAT DO WE SAY? THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUY GRATEFUL. AND I WILL PUT THOSE IN THERE. ALRIGHT. YEAH, I GOT IT PERFECT RIGHT THERE. NUMBER. WE APPRECIATE. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. YEAH. YOU GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. COUNTY ATTORNEY, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER FURTHER BUSINESS? WE DO NOT. COUNTY MANAGER? NO, SIR. ANYTHING. MR. PRESIDENT, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO. WE'VE BEEN DOING A SERIES OF TOWN HALL MEETINGS, AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY HOW GRATEFUL AND THANKFUL THAT I HAVE BEEN FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER, FOR HIS STAFF. THEY HAVE BEEN JUST ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. THEY'VE SHOWN UP. THEY'VE GIVEN CITIZENS INFORMATION. I'VE MADE IT QUITE CLEAR THAT WHEN WE SHOW UP AS A COUNTY, THAT WE'RE NOT THERE TO DO CITY BUSINESS, WE'RE THERE TO DO COUNTY BUSINESS. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE REALLY GONE OUT OF OUR WAY TO EDUCATE THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN TERMS OF THE WAY WE OPERATE, AND THAT MAKES A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE. SO I WANT TO SAY IN THIS SETTING HOW GRATEFUL THAT I AM FOR ALL OF THEM IN THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE TO REALLY EXPLAIN WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE DO IT. THE OTHER THING IS, I HOPE THAT EVERYBODY HAD A WONDERFUL RESURRECTION, RESURRECTION SUNDAY WITH YOUR FAMILIES. TYPICALLY WE MEET AFTER THE FACT, BUT I DID WANT TO AT LEAST SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT. THIS IS THE MONTH OF AUTISM, AND DOCTOR MAHA AND HIS STAFF. WE'RE GOING TO BE SHARING SOME INFORMATION, MR. PRESIDENT, COMMISSIONER BOLAND ACTUALLY BROUGHT DOCTOR MAHA IN THAT PROGRAM WITH US, AND WE JUST ARE REALLY EXCITED BECAUSE WE ARE PARTNERING WITH HIM AND TO BE ABLE TO MAKE MOBILE UNITS AVAILABLE IN THE DISTRICT. SO FOR THOSE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCES WITH AUTISM OR THEY HAVE ANXIETY, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. SO I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT PARTNERSHIP, BUT JUST BE MINDFUL OF AUTISM MONTH. AND THANK YOU FOR THOSE DECLARATIONS, MR. PRESIDENT, TOO, AS IT RELATES TO DOCTOR HICKS, VERY EXCITED FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH JEFFERSON COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY ARE UNDER A GREAT LEADER. AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT IN THIS SETTING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. BELL. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WELL, WE'VE HAD A VERY EVENTFUL MEETING TODAY. NORMALLY WE DO NOT CARRY A MEETING OVER AN HOUR AND WE WE'VE EXCEEDED THAT PRETTY GOOD. YOU WERE ABLE TO WITNESS HOW [01:30:12] YOUR YOUR LOCAL COUNTY COMMISSION OPERATES AND HOW IT WORKS AS A MAJORITY FOR IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE PEOPLE WITHIN JEFFERSON COUNTY. AND EVERY. STATEMENT WE MAKE, EVERY RESOLUTION WE PASS IS IN THE INTEREST IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE JEFFERSON COUNTY CITIZENS. AND WE WANT TO THANK OUR OUR MANAGEMENT AND OUR STAFF PEOPLE FOR PRESENTING THE INFORMATION AS, AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AND HONESTLY AS YOU CAN, AND WE WILL. THE COMMISSION MAKES ITS DECISIONS BASED ON THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANT YOU TO HAVE A A WONDERFUL, SAFE WEEK. AND THIS MEETING IS RECESSED * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.