May 07, 2026 Commission Meeting

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SHOULD HAVE A SUPERMAJORITY HERE. I, I SEE MANY PEOPLE HERE THAT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE FOR ZONING IN ZONING ISSUES. IT TAKES THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES FROM THE COUNTY COMMISSION FOR IT TO ACTION TO BE TAKEN. ALL OTHERS IT'S A MAJORITY OF THOSE PRESENT. BUT IN ZONING, IT REQUIRES THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES FROM THE COUNTY COMMISSION. THAT'S JUST AN FYI.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THAT. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE CAN DO. WE CAN GO AHEAD. AND SINCE WE DO HAVE A QUORUM HERE, WE CAN TAKE CARE OF SOME OF OUR BUSINESS THAT WE HAD AT THIS

[I. RECONVENE & ADJOURN THE MEETING OF APRIL 23, 2026]

[II. CALL TO ORDER & ROLL CALL]

REVEREND CHUCK CARTER, SOMEONE WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH. GOOD TO SEE YOU, MR. CHUCK. I'D LIKE TO TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO COMMISSIONER BOLIN FOR AN INTRODUCTION. SIR, I THOUGHT YOU LOST MY NAME THERE FOR A MOMENT, MR. PRESIDENT. NO, I WAS I WAS GIVING YOU. GIVING YOU GOOD. GO AHEAD. I WANTED TO GET UP AND TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S THAT'S HERE TO LEAD US IN OUR INVOCATION. BUT I'M NOT. I'M GOING TO FLOWER IT UP FOR EVERYBODY. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HERE REGULARLY. OUR OPENING PRAYER, IT REALLY, AND I THINK GETS EVERYBODY HERE ELEVATED IN YOUR HEART, YOU KNOW, TO DO THE RIGHT THING. WE DO IT AT EVERY MEETING AND DO IT TO INVITE GOD'S PRESENCE HERE AND HIS BLESSING AND HIS GUIDANCE, AND GETS US READY TO DO THE RIGHT THING. I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT IT'S MY PLEASURE, MY INDIVIDUAL PLEASURE TODAY, IN ADDITION TO EVERYBODY KNOWING WHO OUR SPEAKER IS, HE IS A PASTOR BECAUSE HE IS SOMEBODY THAT I HONESTLY BELIEVE TRULY LIVES OUT WHAT IT MEANS TO SERVE OTHERS. HE'S JUST HE'S HE'S A GOOD GUY. IF HE WASN'T A PASTOR, HE'S A GOOD PASTOR BECAUSE HE IS. HE IS FAITHFULLY LED THE CHURCH AT REMLAP. IF ANY OF Y'ALL ARE FROM OUT TO THE EASTERN END AND YOU'VE BEEN THERE FOR THE LAST 11 YEARS AND I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE. HE POURS INTO HIS CONGREGATION AND COMMUNITY WITH A STEADY AND COMPASSIONATE PRESENCE EVERY TIME THAT THEY MEET. HE'S THE KIND OF PERSON WHO SHOWS UP, WHETHER THAT'S IN A MOMENT OF NEED, WHETHER IT'S A TIME FOR CELEBRATION OR SIMPLY LEND A LISTENING EAR. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT. HE, LIKE ME, MARRIED A LADY THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ASSERTIVE. AND SHE'S INSISTED THAT HE HAVE ANOTHER JOB TO, TO BRING HER MONEY INTO THE HOUSE.

AND AS THAT HE'S A PROJECT MANAGER FOR BRIGHT FUTURE ELECTRIC HERE IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, WHERE HE WORKS HARD WITH ALL THE THE PEOPLE THERE AND HE USES AND I'VE GOT FRIENDS OVER THERE, THE SAME INTEGRITY, WORK ETHIC AND PEOPLE AND CARE FOR PEOPLE OVER THERE THAT HE DOES IN CHURCH. SO WHAT STANDS OUT ABOUT CHUCK IS DID HE TRULY HAS WHAT WE TALK ABOUT AT TIMES? AND THAT'S A SERVANT'S HEART. LEADING WITH HUMILITY, TREATS PEOPLE WITH GENUINE KINDNESS, AND JUST ISN'T AFRAID TO BE BOLD AND TO BE GROUNDED IN HIS FAITH. SO TODAY, MR. PRESIDENT, WE ARE AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. WE ARE GRATEFUL TO HAVE HIM HERE WITH US TO OFFER THE INVOCATION. SO IF I COULD PLEASE WELCOME HIM TO DO SO AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. JOE. WELCOME. YOU HAVE THE PODIUM AND WHEN FINISH THAT THEO, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN A OUR PLEDGE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER, I AM HONORED AND I WOULD JUST TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY, WHEN I WAS ASKED, I WAS HONORED AND HUMBLED BY THE OPPORTUNITY AGAIN TO BE HERE WITH YOU GUYS. AS I PRAYED ABOUT THIS, ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY, I WAS LED TO

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GOD FROM A GENUINE CARE OF PEOPLE. GUARD OUR HEARTS FROM SELFISH AMBITIONS, AND HELP US REMEMBER THAT THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE HERE TODAY AFFECT REAL FAMILIES, REAL WORKERS, REAL BUSINESSES, AND REAL LIVES THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTY. GOD, GIVE OUR LEADERS OUR COMMISSIONERS WISDOM. HELP THEM LISTEN WELL, LEAD HONORABLY AND WHERE THERE IS TENSION, GOD BRING PEACE. WHERE THERE'S FRUSTRATION, GOD BRING PATIENCE. AND WHERE THERE IS UNCERTAINTY, GOD BRING WISDOM AND DIRECTION TO OUR LEADERS. HOLY SPIRIT, REMIND US THAT LEADERSHIP IS STEWARDSHIP AND NONE OF US ARE PERFECT. NONE OF US HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS, GOD. BUT WE ASK YOU TO GUIDE US TOWARDS WHAT IS RIGHT, TOWARDS WHAT IS FAIR AND BENEFICIAL FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE. HELP US TO PUT. HELP US TO PUT THE GOOD OF OTHERS AHEAD OF OUR PERSONAL PREFERENCES. GOD, WE PRAY FOR THIS COUNTY. BLESS THE FAMILIES, THE SCHOOLS, THE BUSINESSES, THE CHURCHES, THE FIRST RESPONDERS, THE WORKERS WHO MAKE UP THIS COMMUNITY. LORD, PROTECT THEM, PROVIDE FOR THEM, AND HELP THIS COUNTY CONTINUE TO GROW IN HEALTH IN A UNIFIED WAY. LET THE WAY THAT WE LEAD GOD REFLECT INTEGRITY, HUMILITY, AND WISDOM THAT HONORS YOU TODAY. THIS WE ASK IN YOUR HOLY NAME, AMEN. AMEN. ATTENTION. SALUTE. PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU.

[V. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

[VII. PUBLIC HEARINGS]

ORIGINALLY, THE APPLICANT HAD REQUESTED TO GO TO R SIX AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CONCURRED WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO REDUCE THE DENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT FROM OUR SIX TO R2, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR TEN ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOTS WITH 65FT OF ROAD FRONTAGE. THE SURROUNDING AREA, AS YOU CAN TELL, IS LARGELY RESIDENTIAL, AND THIS DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

THERE WAS SOME OPPOSITION TO THE REZONING CASE. I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME INDIVIDUALS FROM THE FOREST DALE COMMUNITY IN HERE TODAY. I ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A 28 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. MICHAEL RECEIVED TWO EMAILS THIS MORNING, ONE FROM MISS ANGELA JONES KING. HER CONCERNS ARE THAT THE THE FIELD LINES ON HER SEPTIC TANK, WHICH ABUT THIS

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IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND WHY YOU ARE AGAINST THIS, AND IF OTHER MEMBERS BEFORE YOU BEGIN, IF OTHER MEMBERS HAVE THE SAME OPPOSITION, SAME REASON, IF YOU WOULD STATE THAT. AND BECAUSE ONCE WE GET IT, WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A COMMON GROUND THAT THAT YOU ARE AGAINST A PARTICULAR ISSUE. SO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR AS YOU AS YOU ASKED.

MY NAME IS YOLANDA COLEMAN. MY ADDRESS IS 953 EGRET DRIVE, AND IT'S RIGHT THERE ADJACENT ON THAT PROPERTY LINE OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. NOW, ME AND MISS SMITH, WHO LIVES AT 952 EGRET DRIVE, IS ALSO ADJACENT TO THAT PROPERTY, IS ALSO CONCERNED, WHICH WE'RE RIGHT THERE ON GROUND ZERO TO BE WIDELY AFFECTED BY THIS WHOLE CHANGE. OH. SO DON'T GET US WRONG, WE ARE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. WE LOVE THAT THE GREAT CHANGES THAT'S COME TO JEFFERSON COUNTY IN MY AREA TO TO MOVE ON TO THE FUTURE IS THE GREATEST THING WE LOVE. BUT AND WE'RE GLAD THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING OUR REQUEST FOR R-2 INSTEAD OF THE R SIX REZONING.

SO THAT THAT WOULD BE LESS TRAFFIC. WE CAN BE MORE COMMUNITY ADJACENT AND ESTHETIC AND ALL THAT. I AND MISS SMITH ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY THE CLAIMANT FOR THIS PROJECT ON ENCROACHMENT ON OUR PROPERTY LINES, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN BULLIED AND COMPLAINED ABOUT OUR FENCE LINES TOUCHING THE PROPERTY LINES. AND SO WE REQUEST THAT THE COUNTY PLEASE CLEARLY STATE MAKE A SURVEY OF THOSE BOUNDARY LINES SO THAT ONCE HE STARTS BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION START, WE WON'T HAVE ANY CONFLICT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN BULLIED AND BEEN PROPOSED. HE'S BEEN OUT THERE WITH HIS SKID STEER, CLEARING OUT SOME BRUSHES AND MAKING LITTLE NOTES AND EVERYTHING, AS IF HE ALREADY OWNED THE PROPERTY AND EVERYTHING HAS BEEN PROCEEDED. SO THAT THAT IS MY GREATEST REQUEST FOR YOU ALL. AND AGAINST THIS WHOLE THING. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. NEXT IS DAVID PARTON.

953 EGRET DRIVE. OKAY. LINDA MCDANIEL. OKAY. AND ROY, SAME THING. ANGELA KING. YES, MA'AM, PLEASE. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. I'M ANGELA JONES KING I LIVE AT 929 CAGLE ROAD. AND THE LAND THAT'S I GUESS THAT WAS KIND OF APPROVED FROM THE LAST TIME THAT WE WERE HERE.

AND WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT CHANGE IS COMING. SO SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT MY BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THAT WE'RE ON SEPTIC TANK, THE SCHOOL PROPERTY THAT THE MR. MITCHELL IS PURCHASING IS IS ON SEWER. SO OUR FIELD LINES DO ENCROACH ONTO HIS PROPERTY. SO HE DIDN'T THINK SO. AND MR. MITCHELL RECENTLY SHOWED UP, I THINK SATURDAY I WAS ON MY WAY COMING DOWN MY DRIVEWAY AND HE WAS ALMOST HIT HIM BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO GET TO US TO HAVE A

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SO THEY HAD A PROBE AND THEY PROBED THE LAND AND THEY SAID, IT DOES ENCROACH ONTO THE OTHER PERSON'S PROPERTY. WHEN WHEN I PURCHASED THE HOUSE, THERE WAS A FENCE THAT WAS ALREADY PUT IN PLACE AND WE JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS OUR BACKYARD, YOU KNOW, THAT THE WHOLE LAND WAS OUR BACKYARD. WE HAVE CUT THE GRASS, WE'VE CUT THE KUDZU, WE'VE FOUGHT OFF THE THE GOPHERS.

WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING. BECAUSE THE SCHOOL DID NOT MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY. SO WE THOUGHT, WELL, ME AND OUR NEIGHBOR HAD TO GO OUT. MY HUSBAND, WE THEY CUT THE GRASS. THEY THEY CUT DOWN THINGS, USE THE WEED EATER. AND I THINK LAST TIME MR. MITCHELL SAID, THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT. BUT WE'VE DONE THIS FOR 33 YEARS. THAT GIVES US SOME. RIGHT. OR SOMEBODY OWES US A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THIS. IF IT WAS THEIR PROPERTY. SO WE'RE THINKING IT'S OUR PROPERTY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN AND KEEP, YOU KNOW, THE LAND CLEAN. AND SO, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS THAT THE FIELD LINES DO ENCROACH ONTO THEIR PROPERTY. THAT WAS TOLD TO US BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECENTLY. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I AM CONCERNED WITH A NEW HOME. ALL OF THE HOUSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE BUILT, THAT IT COULD TAMPER WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE BECAUSE THEY'RE ON SEWER, WE'RE NOT. SO AND I THINK AT ONE TIME SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WANTED IT ON SEWER. I WAS OKAY WITH IT BEING ON ON SEPTIC TANK. AND AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT SAID IT WASN'T CONDUCIVE FOR THAT IN THE ENVIRONMENT. SO ANYWAY, THE SCHOOL IS ON SEWER. SO MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TAMPERING WITH ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO MESS UP OUR FIELD LINES AND MESS UP OUR SEPTIC TANK. BASICALLY, IF WE HAVE TO ACCEPT EVERYTHING, FINE. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MAINTAINED THAT PROPERTY AND THE FENCE IS THERE NOW. THE FENCE HAS BEEN TORN DOWN FROM KUDZU AND ALL OF THAT. SO PART OF THE FENCE IS NOT THERE. AND HE SAID, MOVE YOUR FENCE BACK TO YOUR PROPERTY LINE, WHICH YOU KNOW, IS NOT A CLEAR CUT PROPERTY LINE. WE'RE HOPING THAT THERE WILL BE GRANTED SOME KIND OF AN EASEMENT SO THAT IT WON'T TAMPER WITH OUR FIELD LINES, SO THAT WE CAN JUST LIVE A COMFORTABLE LIFE AND A PEACEFUL LIFE. WE'VE NOT BOTHERED ANYBODY. MY CHILDREN HAVE GROWN UP AT THE HILLVIEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THEY'RE ALL GROWN NOW, THANK GOODNESS, AND WE HAVE LOVED OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE TRY TO WALK AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ALL OF THAT. SO WITH IT BEING NEW HOMES, THAT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT BALL GAME. AND WE HAVE TO PLAY, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS SO, BUT THAT IS MY CONCERN, IS THAT MR. MITCHELL, WHEN I DID SEE HIM, HE SAID NOTHING WOULD WOULD STOP. I MEAN, HE WOULD NOT TAMPER WITH THE LINES OR ANYTHING THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID RECENTLY. AND I HAVE THAT ON ON TAPE TOO, BY THE WAY.

SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. SO BUT THAT IS MY MY BIGGEST CONCERN. WE HAD SOME OTHER CONCERNS, BUT I THINK WE WERE OUTVOTED. OUTNUMBERED IS FINE, BUT I'M A PRAYERFUL PERSON TOO.

GOD IS IN CONTROL. SO I'M GOING TO TRUST THE PROCESS AND TRUST THAT HE'S IN CONTROL. AND WHATEVER IT IS, IT WILL BE. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING HOPEFULLY I MISSED. DID I MISS ANYTHING? YEAH. AND WE WOULD LIKE TO WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE LAND IF IT'S GRANTED AN EASEMENT. WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE LAND THAT WE'VE MAINTAINED FOR 33 YEARS. YES. WE'VE ALREADY, YOU KNOW, SPOKEN TO AN ATTORNEY AND THEY SAID, YOU, YOU REALLY SHOULD HAVE THAT. YOU'VE MAINTAINED THAT LAND. NOT ONE TIME HAVE THEY COME INTO OUR PROPERTY LINE, OR WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS OUR PROPERTY LINE AND CUT THE GRASS OR DID ANYTHING, NOTHING OUT OF ALL OF THESE YEARS. AND WE'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE MAINTAINED THAT LAND. SO IT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. WE DON'T WANT IT TO CAUSE A PROBLEM IN OUR FUTURE WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING ON IT OR DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT ON IT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD TAMPER WITH WITH, YOU KNOW, OUR LIVELIHOOD. SO THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU.

YES. HANG ON, HANG ON ONE SECOND. I HAVE A QUESTION. HOW MANY? BESIDES, YOU HAVE FIELD

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THEY HAVE A RECORD OF WE WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. WE'VE GONE TO SEVERAL PEOPLE JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT CAN WE DO. SO THE ONLY THING I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING OR ALLOWED TO, IS TO HAVE AN EASEMENT FOR THAT PROPERTY. THAT'S WHERE THE FENCE IS NOW.

PART OF THE FENCE IS TORN DOWN AND A PART OF THE FENCE IS UP. AND I THINK MR. MITCHELL SAID, IF WE DON'T MOVE IT, HE'LL TAKE THE FENCE THAT SOMEBODY ELSE PUT UP. AND I GUESS THAT WAS THE HEALTH. I MEAN, I'M SORRY, THE PTA, HE WILL USE THAT HIMSELF, I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE MEANT EXACTLY. DOES YOUR FIELD LINES EXTEND BEYOND WHERE THAT FENCE WAS? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. HE SAID HE DIDN'T THINK THAT IT GOES BEYOND THAT, BUT IT'S NOT ON MY PROPERTY LINE. MY PROPERTY LINE STOPS AT ONE POINT, POINT A, AND THEN IT ENCROACHES ONTO THEIR PROPERTY LINE, POINT B, THEN THE FENCE IS THERE. SO BUT THEY PUT THAT FENCE UP BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A A HILL. AND SO THEY JUST DIVIDED IT RIGHT WHERE THE HILL IS. AND SO I REALLY DON'T KNOW BECAUSE NOBODY HAS SHOWN ME A DIAGRAM OF THE FIELD LINES. SO I REALLY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE. SO THAT'S WHY WE ASKED THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, CAN YOU COME OUT? AND THEY DID. AND HE SAID, ALL I CAN DO IS JUST PROBE IT. AND HE SAID, WELL, IT DOES ENCROACH ONTO THE PROPERTY, BUT HOW FAR DOWN THAT I REALLY DON'T KNOW. BUT THAT WILL TRULY AFFECT ME, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MY HUSBAND, SO, YOU KNOW, AND I HAVE MY GRANDBABY OVER AND ALL OF THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE A PROBLEM FOR, FOR OUR FAMILY. AND WE, LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE MANY MAJOR ISSUES ANYMORE. WE JUST HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT, OKAY, THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT LEAVE US ALONE IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE WHAT SHE'S DESCRIBED AS A CIVIL ISSUE THAT IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF OF, OF WHAT THIS COMMISSION CAN DO. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE? YES, SIR. GOOD MORNING. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE GO TO THE PODIUM AND THEN NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. MY NAME IS JIM MITCHELL. MY ADDRESS IS 354 SHILOH LANE, TALLADEGA, ALABAMA. I HAVE SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH THE JEFFERSON COUNTY BOARD OF EDUCATION TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY. THE NOTIFICATION THAT WENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WAS FROM THE BOARD OF EDUCATION. IT WAS NOT FROM ME. ALL REPRESENTATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO ME. I'VE PASSED TO THEM, BUT I HAVE NO PERSONAL

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AND ABOUT ALL I REMEMBER IS WE HAD OUTDOOR TOILETS. SO THERE'S STILL MADE. YEAH. AND MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THIS ORIGINAL FENCE WAS BUILT TO GO AROUND A BALL FIELD THAT WAS DOWN THERE YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS. I DON'T BELIEVE THE FENCE IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE HERE. IT'S THE PROPERTY LINE. AND WE'RE HERE ON THE ZONING ISSUE. RIGHT. SO IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT, I, I THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO WIND UP WITH, WITH SOME TYPE OF, OF A CIVIL LITIGATION BEFORE THIS IS OVER WITH. BUT NONE OF THAT IS, IS, IS, IS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE COMMISSION CAN DO. SO ARE YOU, ARE YOU THE DEVELOPER? I'M THE DEVELOPER. OKAY. PLEASE HOLD YOUR DESCRIBE WHAT YOU INTEND TO DEVELOP AND WHAT IT WHAT EFFECT IT WILL HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY AND THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE WITH AN INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE HANDLED SEPARATELY AND NOT NOT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE COMMISSION. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT UNDERSTAND INFORMATION CAME FROM ME. IT CAME FROM THE BOARD OF EDUCATION. WE'VE GOT 41 CASES TODAY, I UNDERSTAND. I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT PRETTY QUICK. OUR PLAN IS TO BUILD SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES AND THE 2 TO $300,000 PRICE RANGE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD CHEAP LITTLE HOUSES, AND WE'RE NOT I'M NOT GOING TO BUILD THEM. ANOTHER BUILDER HAS APPROACHED ME ABOUT BUYING THE DEVELOPER ONCE I GET THROUGH DEVELOPING THEM. FOR YOU THAT DON'T KNOW WHO I AM, MITCHELL COMPANIES DEVELOPED ALMOST ALL OF THE SUBDIVISIONS IN THE FOREST HILL AREA. WE'VE DEVELOPED OVER A THOUSAND LOTS OUT THERE, AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN OUR SUBDIVISIONS ARE PERFECTLY HAPPY. SO WE'VE WE CONCEDED AT THE ZONING HEARING THAT WE WOULD WE WERE OKAY WITH OUR TWO ZONING. OKAY. WE WOULD WE WOULD JUST WORK OUR PLAN AROUND IN OUR. TWO ZONING. SO WE'RE NOT OPPOSING THE R-2. WE'RE FINE WITH OUR. TWO IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD CHOOSES TO DO. THE ISSUE WITH THE CENSUS REALLY AN ISSUE BETWEEN THE BOARD OF EDUCATION AND THESE NEIGHBORS AND ANY PROBLEMS THAT COME FROM THAT, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT ADVERSE POSSESSION DOES NOT APPLY WHEN THE OTHER PARTY THAT YOUR OWN IS A GOVERNMENT AGENCY. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN'T CLAIM ADVERSE POSSESSION AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. THAT'S THE LAW. I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT I THOUGHT I'D MENTION THAT IN CASE Y'ALL WANT TO RESEARCH THAT. OKAY. AND THE COUNTY ROAD DEPARTMENT SAID THEY DID NOT WANT US TO BUILD A ROAD FROM THIS ROAD DOWN TO CHERRY AVENUE. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

WE TOLD THEM WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS HERE AND I HAVE BECOME PRETTY GOOD FRIENDS IN THIS PROCESS, AND HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE ROAD THERE. AND BUT HE AND I ARE ON GOOD TERMS. BUT IT'S AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT'S A COUNTY DECISION, NOT MINE. I'M OKAY WITH WHATEVER THEY WANT ME TO DO. AS REGARDS THE ROADS NOW THE SEWER, THERE IS LIVE SEWER DOWN THIS ROAD AND THERE'S NEIGHBORS OVER HERE. IF THEY HAVE ISSUES WITH THEIR SEPTIC TANKS, IT'S NOT VERY FAR TO BRING THE SEWER TO THEIR PROPERTY. BUT AS FAR AS THE FIELD LINES ON THERE, I REALLY DON'T KNOW IF THE FIELD LINES ARE ON THERE. AND I DON'T THINK THE BOARD OF EDUCATION DOES EITHER. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO ASK, I'LL BE HAPPY TO RESPOND. THANK YOU. I GOT A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER SCALE. AND SO, MR. MITCHELL MARTIN, IT'S ME. I'M HARD OF HEARING. THAT'S OKAY, I GOT YOU.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. SO I'M THE COMMISSIONER THAT REPRESENTS THE DISTRICT AND YOU AND YOUR COMPANY AND I HAVE TALKED OVER THE YEARS. THAT BEING SAID, HAVE YOU OR ANY MEMBER OF YOUR BUSINESS. AND I AM SAYING THIS FOR A REASON. HAVE YOU ALL HAD ANY COMMUNICATIONS WITH MYSELF OR MY OFFICE? I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE WITH YOU. WE HAVE HAD TWO MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORS, THOUGH WE HAD. WE MET AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. WE. I SENT OUT 50 SOMETHING LETTERS TO EVERYBODY WITHIN A MILE OF THIS PROPERTY THAT WE WERE HAVING THIS MEETING, AND I THINK THERE WAS FIVE PEOPLE SHOWED UP. SO IS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU ALL CAN LET ME KNOW? IS THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF MERRYWOOD OR IS THAT FOREST VIEW? WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DID YOU MEET WITH IS FOREST VIEW? THAT WAS J. C PRITCHETT. WE DID MERRYWOOD TOMOKA STATES, HOLIDAY HILLS, WESTCHESTER. OKAY. FOREST DELL WITH DELL.

OUR FIRST DEVELOPMENTS OUT THERE WERE IN THE 1940S, AND MY FATHER STARTED THE PROCESS. MY

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AND BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE PARTICIPATED, THAT'S HOW A FRAMEWORK, MEANING HOW THE COUNTY IS LOOKING FOR ZONING CASES LIKE THIS IS THE FACT OF YOU SAYING, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. THIS IS WHAT WE DON'T WANT. SO THEN THAT'S HOW WE COME UP WITH AN OFFICIAL FRAMEWORK OF WHAT IS DOABLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY, WHAT'S NOT DOABLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE A CASE BY CASE. WE HAVE A GENERAL PRINCIPLE THAT WE ARE GUIDED BY BASED ON WHAT YOU SAY, AM I MAKING SENSE? NOW? THAT BEING SAID. I ALWAYS HEAR, I'M HEARING, AND THAT'S WHY I REALLY WANT US TO TABLE THIS, BECAUSE WHATEVER NEIGHBORHOOD YOU ALL ARE IN, I WANT TO GET SOME CONCRETE INFORMATION MOVING FORWARD. BECAUSE WHEN I GO BY WHAT I'M THINKING, I'M GETTING FROM LIKE FOREST DALE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, RIGHT? THEN BY THE TIME THAT I GET HERE, IT'S LIKE, WELL, NO, SOME OF US WANTED IT.

LIKE RIGHT NOW THERE'S A MAX TRANSIT PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN PAID FOR BY THE CITY OF BIRMINGHAM AS FAR AS DALE IS IN AN UPROAR, RIGHT? SOME SAID, BUT WE WANT IT AND SOME SAY YOU DON'T WANT IT. SO AS A COMMISSIONER, IT PUTS ME IN A VERY AWKWARD POSITION, BECAUSE THEN I GOT TO FIGURE OUT, WELL, WHO'S TALKING TO WHOM. I NEED TO KNOW WHO'S TALKING TO EVERYONE. SO YOU DON'T THINK THAT I'M TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T WANT? AM I MAKING SENSE IN WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT Y'ALL AS I'M TALKING, AND I WANT TO SAY IT SO IT CAN BE ON THE RECORD BECAUSE I'VE HEARD SOME THINGS ABOUT THE COMMISSION AND I'M SAYING, NO, THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN DOING A LOT OVER THERE IN FOREST DALE, INCLUDING A LOT OF ROAD WORK. SO IF WE'RE INVESTING YOUR COUNTY TAX DOLLARS OVER THERE, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T WANT TO DESTROY THE COMMUNITY. IF THE INTENT IS THAT WE'VE BEEN INVESTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER THERE. SO I ASKED JOSH, THAT'S WHY I GOT HIM AT THE PODIUM. AS RELATES TO, DID WE HAVE ANY OPPOSITION? YOUR ANSWER WAS YES, MA'AM, WE DID. MOST OF THE OPPOSITION WAS FOR THE ORIGINAL REQUEST TO OUR SIX. OKAY. SO IF THAT BE THE CASE AND YOU AS YOUR COMMISSIONER. OKAY, I'M HEARING THERE'S A MUTUAL COMMONALITY HERE, WHICH IS R2.

YOU OKAY WITH R2? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM EVERYONE THAT I'M LOOKING AT? BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS THAT I DON'T MIND FIGHTING FOR YOU. MY MY COLLEAGUES KNOW THAT I DON'T I DON'T STRUGGLE WITH BEING ABLE TO SPEAK MY MIND. RIGHT. BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TO MAKE

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I HAVE NOTHING PERSONAL TO GAIN OTHER THAN YOUR TRUST. AM I MAKING SENSE, RESIDENTS? I'M NOT TALKING TO HIM. I'M TALKING TO YOU. OKAY, SO ARE YOU. ARE WE IN AGREEMENT THAT Y'ALL SAYING THAT YOU'RE OKAY WITH R2? YES, MA'AM. AND YOU DO KNOW WHAT R2 ZONING IS, RIGHT? RESIDENTIAL? NO, I GET IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW WHAT EVERYTHING MEANS. SO IF YOU DON'T. I WANTED HIM TO SAY WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING.

YOU UNDERSTAND? BECAUSE THE ONE THING THAT I KNEW AS A FORMER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, IF I PUT SOMETHING IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND WE ZONE IT A CERTAIN KIND OF WAY, AND THEN YOU TURN AROUND AND SAY, HEY, WE DIDN'T WANT THIS TO BE THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER, THEN YOU GOT TO LOOK AT ME. AM I MAKING SENSE? SO THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT YOU ALL DON'T KNOW. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING, JUST LIKE YOU PURCHASE YOUR HOME AND YOU KNOW, THE ONLY PERSON THAT IT WORKS TO A DISADVANTAGE IS WHEN YOU DON'T READ THE CONTRACT AND DON'T LOOK AT THE FINE PRINT. SO TODAY I WANT US TO LOOK AT THE FINE PRINT, MAKE SURE THAT'S WHAT YOU COMFORTABLE WITH. AND THEN FOR THOSE WHO HAVE OTHER THINGS TO SAY, WHEN I SHOW UP AT THESE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS THAT I'M GONNA SAY NO. THE PEOPLE WHO CAME, THEY SPOKE.

YES, MA'AM. COME ON, BACK UP TO THE PODIUM. YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. OKAY, JOSH, DON'T GO FAR.

I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN R6 AND R2. YES. THANK YOU FOR THE R2. AND ALL THE UNDERSTANDING HAPPENED WHAT WE WANTED. YES, MA'AM. AGAIN, ME, I, AND MISS SMITH, WHO WAS HAVING A FAMILY EMERGENCY, ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENCROACHMENT ON BOTH OF US.

BECAUSE WE'RE RIGHT THERE ON GROUND ZERO. SO IS IT YOU DO OR DON'T WANT R2, AND YOU WANT THERE TO BE SOME KIND OF DIVISION OF PROPERTY LINE DIVISION? YES. THAT BOUNDARY LINE BETWEEN US, BETWEEN WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO BEFORE EVERYTHING STARTS. MAKE SURE THAT'S SET AND HE WON'T BE COMING OVER SAYING, WELL, YOUR FENCE IS OVER HERE. AND YOU YOU SUPPOSED TO BE THERE BECAUSE YOU'RE IMPARTIAL. AND WHAT GOES ON HERE, WHAT NEEDS TO GO FORWARD WOULD BE WHAT IT SHOULD BE A SURVEY. AND IF THERE'S A SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY. PLEASE GO HOME AT 2011 AFTER THE TORNADO. YEAH. NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS BUT THERE'S ALWAYS A SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY. AND BEING THAT HE JUST PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, MEANING HIS COMPANY, THERE SHOULD BE WHERE AT LEAST HE CAN PROVIDE. YOU SEEM LIKE HE DON'T MIND PROVIDING YOU A COPY OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. YOU HAVE TO WHEN YOU SURVEY THE PROPERTY.

HE CAN'T DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENS ON YOUR PROPERTY IF IT DOESN'T BELONG TO HIM. EXACTLY. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN? SO THAT'S WHY I SAID YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT BUILDING, RIGHT. AND THEN JOSH CAN BE ABLE TO HELP YOU BECAUSE THEN HE CAN BE ABLE TO LOOK AND SAY, BASED ON THIS ADDRESS, THIS IS WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS OUTLINED TO BE. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN? BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET AN UNDERSTANDING, I THINK THAT EVERYTHING CAN MOVE FORWARD. BUT ONE THING THAT I CAN TELL YOU, THIS IS ABOUT THE THIRD PROJECT. AND, AND FOLKS SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, HEY, COMMISSIONER SCALES DON'T WANT. I'M LIKE, NO, I'M LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING TO THE MEETING. IF THEY COME TO THE MEETING AND THEY SAY THEY DON'T WANT IT, THEN I HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO SAY, I'M GONNA MOVE TO DENY IT. OKAY. AND AS FOR THE TRAFFIC, THE ROADS ARE GOING TO STAY THE SAME. AND SO IF THAT BE THE CASE, ARE YOU ASKING FOR MAYBE SOME KIND OF TRAFFIC STUDY? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ONCE YOU START TO BUILD NEW HOMES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC. TRAFFIC, RIGHT? SO THEN LET ME ASK THIS.

IF I MOVE TO DELAY THIS ITEM SO YOU YOU ALL CAN GET MORE INFORMATION. WOULD THAT BE TO YOUR BENEFIT? I DON'T WANT IT IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TO YOUR ADVANTAGE, BECAUSE THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING, THEY'RE VALID QUESTIONS. BUT I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO GET A SOLID ANSWER AND NOT A FAST ANSWER SO WE CAN MOVE ON WITH THIS ZONING. I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT THAT'S PRUDENT FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE A HOMEOWNER. YOU UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT A RENTER.

YOU'RE NOT GOING NOWHERE. NO TIME SOON. YEAH. SO IF, IF, IF THAT BE THE CASE. AND THEN, MR. MITCHELL, IF YOU ARE OKAY WITH THERE BEING A MEETING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT THERE IS UNDERSTANDING, EVEN WITH OUR COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE, ABOUT WHERE THOSE LINES ARE, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO WANT YOU TO STAY WITHIN YOUR PROPERTY LINE. WE HAVE ALREADY HAD TWO NEIGHBORS, TWO MEETINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE FIRE

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I LIVE AT NINE, SIX, SEVEN EGRET DRIVE, AND WE'VE LIVED ON THIS PROPERTY SINCE 1940. AND I MOVED THERE WHEN I WAS THREE YEARS OLD. IN 1940, I WENT TO THE HILLVIEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, AND WE, LIKE THE HONORABLE COMMISSIONER, SAID, THIS IS THE THIRD MEETING THAT BECAUSE THEY WANTED APARTMENTS, THEY WANTED. BUT WE WANTED TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA. MY ONLY PROBLEM WITH THIS, BECAUSE EGRET DRIVE IS ONLY GOES FROM HERON, WHICH IS IF YOU CAN SEE WHERE IT STARTS DOWN THERE TO THE LEFT OF. I WISH I HAD A POINTER, BUT ANYWAY, AND IT IT'S A TWO, TWO, 90 DEGREE TURNS IN THAT ROAD. AND THE FIRST. EXCUSE ME, I HAVE THAT POINTER MICHAEL. AM I RIGHT, BUDDY? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. HOLD IT DOWN. OH HOLD IT. OKAY. IT STARTS RIGHT THERE AT HERON. THIS IS HERON. AND THEN THIS IS EGRET. EGRET IS A THERE'S 290 DEGREE TURNS IN THIS ROAD, WHICH IS THREE ABOUT 300FT BETWEEN 290 DEGREE TURNS. AND THEN IT EXITS ON TO CHERRY AVENUE. AND THE DEVELOPER AT FIRST HAD A ROAD THAT EXTENDED OVER TO CHERRY. AND BECAUSE OF THE CONDITIONS OR WHATEVER THE TRAFFIC PEOPLE SAID, THAT WOULD NOT WORK. NOW WE'RE GOING TO PUT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE ON HERON. IT'S IN THIS AREA HERE, USES THIS ROAD. IT'S NOT A REAL TRUE THROUGH ROAD, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. SO I JUST WANTED TO BE ON NOTICE AND PUT IT ON NOTICE THAT WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE WITH THE SPEED OF PEOPLE COMING AROUND THIS CURVE, BECAUSE THERE'S DRIVEWAYS HERE AND THIS IS A HOUSE RIGHT THERE ON THIS AND RIGHT IN THE IN THE CENTER OF THIS CURVE HERE THAT HAS GRANDKIDS THAT PLAY OUT, WE NEED SOME SORT OF RESTRICTIONS ON THE SPEED LIMIT SOME WAY OR ANOTHER, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT 30, 30 HOUSES THAT DON'T ALL GO BE THIS WAY, MAYBE A FEW OVER HERE THAT GOES ON CHERRY. SO THE ORIGINAL PLAN HE HAD WAS TO RUN EGRET ON OVER HERE, WHICH WOULD BE A STRAIGHT LINE. AND OF THESE PEOPLE THAT USE A.

THIS IS CAGLE DRIVE HERE. THEY THE PEOPLE PEOPLE DON'T GO CAGLE TO TO GET ON CHERRY. THEY COME THIS WAY. SO THESE PEOPLE ON HERON RIGHT THROUGH HERE USES EGRET. SO MY SO MY CONCERNS WE YES, WE LIKE R2. IT'S JUST IT'S GOING TO BE SOME REAL ISSUES WITH THE TRAFFIC.

AND WE'D LIKE TO BE ON RECORD WHEN WE TALK TO THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER. WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THIS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WE NEED TO PROBABLY CLOSE THIS MEETING ON DOWN. THIS PUBLIC HEARING? WELL, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. JOSH. VERY QUICKLY, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN R6 AND R2 AND THEN THE MEAT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. YES, SIR. R6 IS 600 ZERO SQUARE FOOT LOTS WITH 50 FOOT ROAD FRONTAGE MINIMUM ON THEIR THAT ZONING WE LEFT IT. IT'S INTENDED FOR THE MINING COMMUNITIES, DOSSENA. SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE HAD HISTORICALLY SHOTGUN STYLE LOTS.

R2 IS TEN ZERO ZERO ZERO SQUARE FEET. YES, AND MINIMUM ROAD FRONTAGE OF 65FT. SO THAT.

THAT'S BETTER. IT'S BETTER TO HAVE R2 THAN R6. IT'S LESS DENSE. YES. LESS DENSITY. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THAT BEING SAID, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED, MR. PRESIDENT. YES, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT. WE DELAY THIS ITEM FOR 30 DAYS SO THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN RECEIVE MORE

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THERE WILL NOT BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING INVOLVING THIS. SO IF THERE'S ANY COMMUNICATIONS, YOU NEED TO COMMUNICATE IT TO EITHER TO YOUR COMMISSIONER OR TO DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES. WE HAVE A MOTION. AND A SECOND, I DO WANT TO ADD ONE THING BEFORE THIS COMES BACK UP HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ISSUE RESOLVED ABOUT THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXISTING FIELD LINES. THAT'S RIGHT. AND GET A NEW NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NEXT TO IT.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A CLASH AT SOME POINT IN TIME BETWEEN THOSE TWO, AND I WOULD LIKE TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE. THAT'S RIGHT. IN ADDITION TO WHAT SHE'S ASKING.

SO THAT WILL BE WHEN WHEN WE COME BACK, IF THAT ISSUE IS NOT RESOLVED, I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THIS VOTE ZONING BECAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THESE PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN CARE OF THIS, THEIR PROPERTY FOR 30 YEARS, I THINK I HEAR THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEY EXIST. THEY'VE TAKEN CARE OF IT. THEY'VE CLEANED IT AND CUT IT. AND, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE BOARD DOING ANYTHING. AND YET NOW WE'RE GOING TO SELL IT AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEW PROPERTY OWNER. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THOSE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS START HAVING TO CLASH BECAUSE, WELL, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR FIELD LINE IS OVER HERE ON MY PROPERTY. SO PLEASE GET THAT RESOLVED. ALL OF US SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THERE IS NONE. NEXT IS Z 260008. THAT'S CORNER HOLDINGS LLC. PAT PICKLE IS THE AGENT. HE REQUESTED A ZONING TO I ONE FOR AN EXISTING PLUMBING COMPANY. IT'S AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR Z 260008. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF. IN OPPOSITION TO THIS? I'M THE OWNER. IF YOU LOOK GOOD RIGHT NOW, BUDDY, THE ONLY WAY YOU HURT AT THIS TIME, LIKE I GIVE ONE ANOTHER CHANCE. EVERYONE. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. MOVE THE ITEM SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE AYE. THERE'S THREE PEOPLE WHO REMAIN HERE. AND YOU SAY I OWN THIS ONE. I BEFORE NEXT IS Z 260009. LADY GREEN MINISTRIES OWNER JUDY JUNIOR. JUANITA GRAHAM AGENT REQUESTS A CHANGE IN ZONING TO INSTITUTIONAL TWO FOR COMPLIANCE WITH AN EXISTING CHURCH. LIKE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR Z 260009 IS ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WILL SPEAK TO THIS YOU FOR IT. YOU'RE IT. ALRIGHT, YOU'RE THE APPLICANT.

IS THERE ANYONE IN OPPOSITION TO THIS? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NONE THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED. NOW, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE ITEMS FOUR THROUGH 21 FOR OUR ON OUR P AND Z RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR ALL OF THESE ITEMS. AND THIS IS A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT FOR DEMOLITION COSTS AT SEVERAL LOCATIONS IN IT SHALL THE ASSESSMENT DESCRIBED A CERTAIN PERSONAL PROPERTY WHICH I WILL GIVE YOU THE ADDRESS AND SHALL CONSTITUTE A LANE UPON SAID PROPERTY. FOR THE AMOUNT OF SUCH ASSESSMENT WHICH SHALL BE SUPERIOR TO ALL OTHER LIENS OF SAID PROPERTY, EXCEPT LIENS FOR TAXES, AND SHALL CONTINUE IN FORCE UNTIL PAID, AND AT THOSE TAXES ARE NOT PAID. THAT WOULD ADD TO THE LIEN, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. RIGHT. SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FOLLOWING. ADDRESSES. AND IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK TO A PARTICULAR

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35224621 QUEBEC DRIVE 35224701 QUEBEC DRIVE. 35224701 VICKSBURG STREET. 352247324 ARABIA AVENUE. 352247416 DENMARK AVENUE. 352247428 ENGLAND AVENUE 352247429 ENGLAND AVENUE 352247453. ARABIA AVENUE 35224 AND 7460. BELGIUM AVENUE 35224. AND I'M GOING TO AGAIN STATE THAT THIS IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT UPON THE DESCRIBED ABOVE. PARCELS OF PROPERTY, AND SHALL CONTINUE A LIEN UPON SAID PROPERTY FOR THE SUCH ASSESSMENT FOR THE SUCH AMOUNT AS DESCRIBED, WHICH LIENS SHALL BE SUPERIOR TO ALL OTHER LIENS ON SAID PROPERTY, EXCEPT LIENS FOR TAXES, AND SHALL CONTINUE IN FORCE UNTIL PAY. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS ANY OF THESE PARTICULAR PARCELS? YES, SIR. PLEASE COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND THE ADDRESS FOR THE PARCEL IN QUESTION. YES, YOU GOT ME. THAT'S OKAY. MY NAME IS GERALD ALFRED, AND THIS IS MY WIFE, ELLA. ALFRED. WE JUST GOT UP FROM MOBILE, AND THE ADDRESS IS 7453 ARABIA AVENUE. HANG ON, HANG ON ONE SECOND, 7453 XAVIER AVENUE, ARABIA. YES, SIR. THAT'S NUMBER 20 ON YOUR. OH, YES. AGENDA, COMMISSIONERS. YES, SIR. OKAY, SO WE COME HERE BASICALLY, IF NOTHING ELSE, TRYING TO SEE ABOUT A REDUCTION IN THE ASSESSMENT, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE BIT EXORBITANT.

WE WANT TO KEEP THE PROPERTY. WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO KEEP IT. OF COURSE. BUT I DID CALL FROM MOBILE, AND IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO GET SOMEONE TO CLEAR THE LOT. SO I GOT SOME PRICES ORIGINALLY AROUND 6000, FIVE, $6,000, EVEN GOT ONE AS LOW AS 3500 AND ASKED ME TO PICK UP THE TIPPING FEES. SO WE WAS KIND OF SHOCKED TO SEE A $16,000 ASSESSMENT ON THE ON THIS LOT. AND THEN ALSO CONSIDERING I MADE A COUPLE OF TRIPS UP AND THE LOT WASN'T EVEN TOTALLY CLEARED AS FAR AS GOING BACK AS FAR AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF THAT WASN'T EVEN CLEANED ON THE LOT. WE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE OTHER HOUSES BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK ON HERE, MAYBE THE ALL SIX OF THOSE HOUSES ARE IN THE EDGEWATER COMMUNITY. THEY'RE RIGHT ON DIFFERENT ROADS UP THERE. BUT FOR SOME REASON, THIS PARTICULAR LOT, IT WASN'T IT WASN'T CLEAR LIKE THE REST. SO THAT'S WHAT WE JUST CAME TO TALK ABOUT. JOSH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS, PLEASE? I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT HE DOES AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT. YES, SIR. SO THE WAY, REGARDING THE AMOUNT WE BID THESE PROPERTIES OUT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, BASED OFF THE BASED OFF THE LOWEST COST PER SQUARE FOOT AND FASTEST TURNAROUND TIME TO COMPLY WITH THAT. SO THE THE LOWEST BIDDER WAS $5.50 PER SQUARE FOOT. AND THE JOB VALUATION FOR THIS ONE WAS 3024FT■S OF SQUARE FOOTAGE TO DEMOLISH. SO THAT BROUGHT THE TOTAL OUT TO OVER $16,000. SO FAIRLY LARGE HOUSE, THE LARGER THE HOUSE IS LARGER THE COST ON OUR END. AND WE DO MAKE A CAVEAT IN OUR CONTRACT WHERE IF IT'S 50% BURN DOWN OR 50% COLLAPSED, DILAPIDATED, THAT THAT COMES OFF OF THE AMOUNT THAT GOES THROUGH. SO REGARDING THE CLEARING OF THE LOT, I, I'VE REVIEWED EACH OF OUR PERMIT RECORDS. PHIL DOES A GREAT JOB OF PUTTING IN THE PICTURES OF THE LOT. SO WE DON'T CLOSE THEM OUT OR PAY THE

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HOW LONG HAVE Y'ALL NOT BEEN THERE, SIR? I'VE BEEN THERE 36 YEARS NOW. HOW LONG HAVE YOU NOT BEEN AT THAT RESIDENCE? OH, MY BROTHER DIED ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO. HE HAD BEEN THE LAST ONE IN THE HOUSE. OKAY. HAVE YOU PAID THE PROPERTY TAXES UP TO. ARE THEY UP TODAY? YES. DID YOU RECEIVE YOUR NOTICE OF DEMOLITION? YES. DID YOU CONTACT THEM BACK AND OFFER FOR OFFER TO SAY I'LL DEMOLISH IT OR WE CONTACTED THEM. BUT OF COURSE WE JUST COULDN'T AFFORD THAT. OKAY. YOU CAN'T JUST LET THEM STAY THERE. WE CAN'T JUST LET THESE DIMINISHING OR FALLING IN HOUSES, OR BECAUSE THAT CREATES A HEALTH HAZARD FOR EVERYBODY. OH YEAH. TRUST ME, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE JUST HERE TODAY BECAUSE OF THE CALLS. AND I KNOW YOU'RE MIXING ABOUT THE HOUSE BEING A VERY LARGE HOUSE. THE HOUSE IS 1100FT■!S. IT'S NOT A HUGE HOUS.

1100FT■!S, 11 1200. IT'S NOT A HUGE HOUSE. THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ALSO INCLUDES THE THE GRADING AROUND THE SITE AS WELL. SO OKAY, SO YOU'RE CHARGING THE SAME MUCH TO TAKE AWAY THE DEBRIS AROUND IT THAT YOU ARE BRINGING THE DEBRIS DOWN. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. OKAY. THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THEY, THEY KEEP THE TONNAGE RECEIPTS AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY, WHEN THEY GO AND HAUL THESE OFF. YEAH. ANY WAY WE CAN, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE STATE BID LAW. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T WE CAN'T NEGOTIATE EVERY INDIVIDUAL. AND YOU ALSO HAVE ASBESTOS ISSUES. WE HAVE TO TEST. SO THERE'S A LOT OF ADDITIONAL COSTS, TIPPING FEES, JUST THE HAULING OF IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE. BINDING TRUCKS AND DRIVERS FOR THESE COMPANIES IS EXPENSIVE. AND IF IN IN OUR UNDERSTANDING AND ONE OF THIS IS, IS GOVERNMENT. OKAY. AND AND YOU'RE TALKING TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S MUCH EASIER FOR YOU IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM TO DO IT YOURSELF THAN TO HAVE US INVOLVED. BECAUSE WE HAVE CERTAIN REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO GO BY AS FAR AS ASBESTOS AND TO FOLLOW THE STATE BID LAWS. AND IT IT ADDS A DEGREE OF, OF DOLLARS TO, TO THE PROBLEM. AND I'LL I'LL APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. AND IT DID GO TO THE LOWEST BIDDER, SIR. SO WE'RE KIND OF LOCKED IN ON WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO. BUT I SYMPATHIZE WITH YOU. BUT IT'S IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE A LONG TIME AND NOTHING'S BEEN DONE. AND WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE YEAH, WE ARE WHERE WE'RE AT. YEAH. THE, THE INTENT IS TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY BETTER AND, AND TO CLEAN IT UP AND TO HAVE REVITALIZATION IN THAT AREA. SO THAT, THAT, THAT WAS THE INTENT OF YOUR COUNTY COMMISSION WHEN WE DID THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

JOSH. YES, SIR. THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD IS THE COUNTY MANAGER WAS SAYING, AS PART OF THAT BID LAW, WE HAVE A LOT OF SAFEGUARDS BUILT INTO THAT CONTRACT THAT A PRIVATE COMPANY MAY NOT HAVE TO ABIDE BY. WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAP THE UTILITY LINES, MARKED THE UTILITY LINES, AS CARL WAS SAYING, THE ASBESTOS TESTING, WE'RE WE'RE VERY STRINGENT ON OUR CONTRACTORS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING THE RIGHT WAY AND HAULING IT OFF AND PROVIDING THE RECEIPTS. AND THEY'RE ALSO DOING COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE COMMUNITIES AT A TIME. SO THEIR, THEIR COST PER FOR THE EQUIPMENT PER HOUR IS TYPICALLY A LITTLE BIT HIGHER VERSUS A ONE OFF DEMOLITION ON ONE PROPERTY. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER, YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED, PUBLIC CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE ELSE? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME? I MOVE

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IF YOU HAD ANY BUSINESS TO TRANSACT, COMMISSIONER, HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? IS THERE ANY COMMISSIONER WHICH. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT I WILL. I WILL ANNOUNCE COUNTY MANAGER. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, SIR. ANY COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE BEFORE YOU AN OPINION FROM

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WILL THERE BE ANY ACTION CONVENED? NO. OKAY. NO ACTION IN ONE HOUR, I MOVE, WE MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ALL. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER. YES, COMMISSIONER. YES, COMMISSIONER. SCALES. COMMISSIONER. TYSON.

COMMISSIONER, I AM HERE. THE. THIS EXECUTIVE SESSION WILL LAST APPROXIMATELY ONE HOUR, AND THERE WILL BE NO ACTION TAKEN AFTER THE MEETING. THE COMMISSION WILL RECESS UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE AT THE END OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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