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          I WOULD LIKE TO RECONVENE THE MEETING OF JUNE 25TH, 2026. AND AS COUNTY MANAGERS, ANY UNFINISHED BUSINESS THAT WE NEED TO TRANSACT FROM THAT MEETING. SO SEEING NONE, THAT MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE MEETING OF JULY THE 9TH MINUTE. 
          CLERK WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? MR. PRESIDENT. COMMISSIONER HERE, COMMISSIONER SCALES. GOOD MORNING, MR. TYSON. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER STEVENS, I AM HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TODAY THE INVOCATION IS IS AS IS MY PLEASURE. I HAVE REVEREND TIM HASSLER OF BELLEVUE BAPTIST CHURCH IN MCCALLA, WHO IS GOING TO PRESENT OUR THOUGHTS AND OUR PRAYERS TO THE LORD TODAY. AND TIM, I APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR DOING THAT. AND, JOSH JOHNSON, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE AFTER THAT? LET US STAND, PLEASE. LET US PRAY. FATHER GOD IN HEAVEN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS DAY THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US. IT IS TRULY A GIFT, GOD. IT WAS NOT GUARANTEED WHEN WE WENT TO BED LAST NIGHT. WE THANK YOU FOR WAKING US UP TO A FRESH AND NEW DAY. AND FATHER, I PRAY THAT WE, AS WE ARE YOUR SERVANTS, GOD, I PRAY THAT WE WOULD BE GOOD STEWARDS OF THIS DAY. GOD, I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE ON THIS COMMISSION. I PRAY YOUR BLESSINGS UPON THEM. I PRAY YOUR WISDOM, YOUR DISCERNMENT, YOUR GUIDANCE. FATHER, I PRAY THAT YOUR HAND WOULD BE UPON THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES. GOD. THEY HAVE A HEAVY LOAD UPON THEM. FATHER, AND I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD EXTEND YOUR GRACE AND MERCY TO THEIR FAMILY, BECAUSE THOSE FAMILIES FEEL THAT SAME BURDEN AS THEY SERVE 600 PLUS THOUSAND INDIVIDUALS IN THIS COUNTY. SO, GOD, ALL OF US WANT SOMETHING DONE, AND THERE'S ONLY A FEW OF THEM TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO I PRAY GOD AND ASK RIGHT NOW THAT YOU WOULD JUST GIVE US ALL WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT, GOD, THAT WE'RE NOT OVERBEARING UPON THEM. I PRAY AND ASK GOD TODAY THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW YOUR SPIRIT TO BE IN THIS ROOM AND IN EVERY HEART AND EVERY MIND. I PRAY AND ASK GOD RIGHT NOW FOR JUST PEACEFUL DELIBERATIONS IN ALL THINGS, GOD IN ALL MATTERS. FATHER, WE DO RIGHT NOW ALSO. JUST WANT TO REMEMBER WILLIAM BILL NORTH. FATHER, THANK YOU FOR HIS SERVICE. GOD, THANK YOU FOR THE MANY, MANY YEARS OF HIS SERVICE IN THIS COUNTY. GOD, WE PRAY RIGHT NOW FOR JUST COMFORT AND PEACE UPON HIS FAMILY. GOD IN HIS LOST FATHER. AND NOT JUST HIS FAMILY, HIS EXTENDED FRIENDS AND FAMILY WHO HAVE THOUGHT SO MUCH OF HIM OVER THE YEARS AS HE HAS SERVED THIS COUNTY. GOD, WE PRAY AND WE JUST ASK RIGHT NOW ALL THESE THINGS. IN THE NAME OF JESUS, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN. ATTENTION. SALUTE, PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER, YOU HAVE BEFORE 
          [V. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]
YOU THE MINUTES. THANK YOU. JIM. 25TH MEETING. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS, CORRECTIONS, OR REVISIONS TO THOSE MEETINGS? I MOVE WE DISPENSE THE READING OF THE MINUTES, ADOPT THEM AS WRITTEN, HAVE A MOTION. AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THAT IS PASSED PRESENTATIONS. DISTRICT TWO RECOGNITION OF CHIEF DEPUTY CORONER BILL YATES. 
          [VI. PRESENTATIONS ]
COMMISSIONER THYSSEN. YES, WE HAVE A RESOLUTION. IF YOU CAN GO. JASON WILL BE READING THE RESOLUTION. WE HAVE BRIAN BATES. HE WAS MISSING FOR 38 YEARS. AND DOCTOR YATES IS THE ONE THAT SUBMITTED THE DNA TO ARTHUR HOLMES. IT'S NEXT TO A MIRACLE. BUT WHEN YOU ARE CONSISTENT. AND DEDICATED TO YOUR JOB AND THE PEOPLE, THIS IS THE RESULTS THAT YOU CAN GET. 
          AND WE WILL BE GIVING HIM A RESOLUTION TODAY. GO AHEAD. CAN HE COME UP, PLEASE? COME ON UP. 
          GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. MORNING ADMINISTRATION AND PUBLIC. THIS MORNING WE HAVE THE DISTINCT HONOR OF GIVING DEPUTY CHIEF CORONER BILL YATES HIS FLOWERS WHILE HE'S YET HERE. 
          FOR ALL THAT HE'S DONE FOR THIS COMMUNITY, THIS COUNTY, BUT MOST OF ALL FOR THE BATES FAMILY IN HIS IN HIS. IN HIS DEDICATION TO MAKING SURE THAT MR. BATES WAS IDENTIFIED 
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PROPERLY. READ THE RESOLUTION. RESOLUTION READS AS SUCH DEDICATION IS NOT WHAT YOU EXPECT, WHAT OTHERS EXPECT OF YOU. IT IS WHAT YOU CAN GIVE TO OTHERS. AUTHOR UNKNOWN. WHEREAS THE JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION RECOGNIZES OUTSTANDING INDIVIDUALS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT IMPACT THE CITIZENS OF THIS GREAT COUNTY FOR THE BETTER. AND WHEREAS, MR. BILL YATES HAS DEMONSTRATED EXCEPTIONAL DEDICATION, PROFESSIONALISM, AND PERSEVERANCE IN THE PURSUIT OF JUSTICE IN THE IDENTIFICATION OF PREVIOUSLY UNIDENTIFIED REMAINS. AND WHEREAS, THROUGH HIS THROUGH HIS RELENTLESS EFFORTS OVER MANY YEARS, MR. YATES CONTINUOUSLY RESUBMITTED FORENSIC DNA EVIDENCE AS TECHNOLOGY ADVANCED THROUGH RESOURCES SUCH AS AUTHORING, ULTIMATELY LEADING IN THE IDENTIFICATION OF BRIAN KEITH YATES BATES. I'M SORRY, WHO HAS BEEN WHO HAD BEEN MISSING FOR NEARLY FOUR DECADES. AND WHEREAS CHIEF DEPUTY CORONER YATES IS. DETERMINATION, HIS COMMITMENT TO TRUTH PROVIDED LONG AWAITED ANSWERS FOR THE BATES FAMILY, ALLOWING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO HONOR THEIR LOVED ONE'S MEMORY AND SEEK JUSTICE ON HIS BEHALF. AND WHEREAS HIS EXEMPLARY SERVICE REFLECTS THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF PUBLIC SERVICE, COMPASSION AND DEDICATION TO THE CITIZENS OF JEFFERSON COUNTY AND BEYOND, NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION HEREBY HONORS AND COMMENDS MR. WILLIAM BILL YATES FOR HIS OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTIONS TO FORENSIC IDENTIFICATION, HIS UNWAVERING PURSUIT TO TRUTH, AND HIS EXEMPLARY AND EXTRAORDINARY SERVICE TO THE BATES FAMILY AND THE COMMUNITY. SIGNED BY THE JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION ON THIS DAY, THE NINTH DAY OF JULY 2026. DOCTOR YATES. YES, MA'AM. 
          IF YOU CAN SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS. WELL, I THINK MY WORDS ARE TO THE BATES FAMILY. YES. 
          IS THE BATES FAMILY HERE? YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MISS AMY STEVENS IS HERE. SHE IS BRIAN KEITH BATES SISTER. THE BATES FAMILY HAD THE ENJOYMENT OF LIVING LIFE HERE WITH BRIAN KEITH FOR 21 YEARS. WE HAD THE PLEASURE OF HIS BEING HIS CARETAKER FOR ANOTHER 21 YEARS BEFORE HE WAS IDENTIFIED. I COMMEND THE FAMILY AND NEVER GIVING UP. WHEN I FIRST MET WITH THEM, THEY HAD A BOOK FULL OF DOCUMENTS FROM THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS MISSING CASE, EVERYTHING FROM PAST PAY STUBS TO BUSINESS CARDS, FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT TO MISSING PERSONS REPORT. SO THEY HAD THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS ACTUALLY HELPFUL TO ME. I WOULD ALSO COMMEND Y'ALL FOR PROVIDING THE ABILITY, THE FUNDS FOR US TO DO THIS WORK. COMMEND Y'ALL ON ENCOURAGING OUR DEPARTMENTS OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS TO DIGITIZE OUR ARCHIVE RECORDS. 
          THAT WAS A THAT'S BEEN A HUGE HELP AS WE MOVE FORWARD TRYING TO IDENTIFY THESE UNIDENTIFIED REMAINS THAT SPAN BACK TO 1981. SO THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING AN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ME TO DO MY WORK. MISS BATES, COULD YOU COME UP. I HOPE I DON'T CRY LIKE A BABY, BUT I UNDERSTAND. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WANTED MR. YATES TO BE RECOGNIZED BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID AT MY BROTHER'S MEMORIAL. I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE IN POSITIONS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND THEY DON'T DO IT. AND SO HE DID. HE MADE A DIFFERENCE. SO I JUST THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL. AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER TYSON, I KNOW YOU. I KNOW MR. MILLER GOT TIRED OF ME, BUT BUT I UNDERSTAND. YES, MA'AM. BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND BUT YEAH, THIS IS. I TOLD HIM HE WAS INVITED TO THE COOKOUT. IF Y'ALL CAN STAY UP THERE. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. FIRST OF ALL, I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU, MR. YATES. THANK YOU FOR NOT ONLY DOING YOUR JOB, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT YOUR JOB IS IMPACTFUL. AND A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU DEAL WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE AND SO MANY NEEDS, AND THERE'S ONLY A FEW OF US TO MEET THOSE NEEDS, RIGHT? YOU CAN ALLOW PEOPLE TO BECOME JUST A NUMBER. AND I THANK YOU FOR 
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DOING YOUR JOB AND RECOGNIZING THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT JUST A JOB, THEY ARE A, A REAL HUMAN BEING, A LIFE WITH A PURPOSE. OKAY. AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE RECOGNITION OF THE COMMISSION WITH REGARD TO YOUR WORK. AND I WILL SAY THIS IN THIS SETTING BECAUSE I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE. THE WAY THE COUNTY IS GOING TO EVOLVE IS THE WAY THAT WE TREAT EVERYONE, AND NOT JUST A FEW. AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS THAT YOU'VE SHOWN THAT JEFFERSON COUNTY IS EVOLVING IN THE WAY THAT WE PROVIDE SERVICES THAT REGARDLESS TO THE RACE, THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE IMPACTFUL AND WHAT YOU DO, WHAT YOU DO ACTUALLY MATTERS. OKAY. AND SO I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU, AS ONE FIFTH OF THIS COMMISSION HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I AM SAYING WITH MANY OF YOU ALL ARE THINKING IN THE AUDIENCE, I JUST I'M BRAVE ENOUGH TO SAY IT. OKAY. AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT, MA'AM, THIS IS HOW WE WIN. WHEN YOU KEEP FIGHTING. THAT'S YOUR BROTHER, THAT'S YOUR BROTHER. 
          AND IF THE WORLD WRITES HIM OFF, THAT'S ONE SET OF RULES. BUT YOU'RE HIS FAMILY, AND YOU DIDN'T. SO I WANT TO THANK YOU. AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL JOIN OTHER FAMILIES THAT WHEN THINGS LIKE THIS COME UP AND PEOPLE ARE MISSING BECAUSE THEY'RE MISSING ALL THE TIME, I WATCH IT, I LOOK AT IT, AND THEY'RE MISSING ALL THE TIME, AND THESE FAMILIES ARE HURTING. AND YOU CAN BE ABLE TO EXPRESS YOURSELF AND HOW YOU GOT THINGS DONE AND HELP THEM. SO I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR NOT FORGETTING YOUR FAMILY. OKAY. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU, MR. YATES. JUST KNOW THAT I GOT I KEEP A GOOD MEMORY YOU SCALED UP THERE. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW I APPRECIATE YOU. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY KINDLY. BILL. I UNDERSTAND YOU WERE ONE OF THE LEAD GUYS ON THIS PROJECT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT TOOK A WHILE FOR YOU TO. BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY HAS ADVANCED SO MUCH THAT NOW WE CAN DO THIS TYPE OF THING. AND, AND I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT, WHAT, 30 MORE CASES OR SO THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON. YES, SIR. 31. OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS LADY HAS TODAY GOTTEN SOME CLOSURE, AND WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR MANY MORE FAMILIES. BUT THANKS TO YOU FOR SPEARHEADING THAT AND GETTING THIS GOING, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WERE THE INSTIGATOR OF IT. AND WE APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. AND WE'RE WE'RE HAPPY THAT WE CAN CONTRIBUTE, AND WE'RE GOING TO SECURE THE FUNDING IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THIS WORK. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. SIR. BILL, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE. AND SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS WERE IN A IN A MEETING TO SECURE THE. OPERATIONAL FUNDING TO TO BRING THAT NATIONAL GROUP, NOT NATIONAL DATABASE, AND TO WHERE WE CAN FIND SOME CLOSURE FOR THESE FAMILIES. AND IT'S IT'S FAR REACHING. IT IT HELPS BRING CLOSURE FOR, FOR OUR 31 FAMILIES THAT THAT ARE THERE NOW, BUT IT ALSO HELPS CLOSE OLD COLD MURDER CASES AT THE SAME TIME. AND IT, IT WILL BENEFIT JEFFERSON COUNTY AND IT'S GOING TO BE DOLLARS WELL SPENT. AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR ENGAGEMENT AND, AND YOUR ROLE IN, IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AND GOD BLESS YOU FOR YOUR WORK. AND Y'ALL TAKE CARE AND LET'S, LET'S CLOSE THESE OTHER. 31 OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. YES, SIR. IF YOU CAN COME UP OR WE CAN TAKE A PICTURE. MISS BATES, YOU TO YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS UNTIL YOU'VE BEEN IN THIS LADY'S SHOES. THAT'S RIGHT. MISS BATES. DO YOU FEEL FREE TO WEAR OUT MILLER ANYTIME. THE FIRST ONE. ONE. I'M SORRY. I'M TO GET YOU JUST A LITTLE BETTER. YOU GOT. 
          AND YOU OVER JUST A LITTLE BIT. OKAY, HERE WE GO. ONE. TWO. THREE. ONE MORE. ONE. TWO. 
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THREE. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, BLESS YOU, THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. YEAH. WE NEVER KNEW THE CORONER'S OFFICE DO ALL OF THIS. NEVER KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THE CORONER'S OFFICE JOB WAS. BUT ALL OF THIS FALLS UNDER THE CORONER'S OFFICE. THANK YOU SIR. IN THAT NEW FACILITY, IN DOLLARS, WELL SPENT, TAX DOLLARS WELL SPENT. THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION. I WOULD LIKE TO. TO MOVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS. I WOULD LIKE TO. PUT MY PRESENTATION AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATIONS, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. AND MOVE NOW TO THE COUNTY MANAGER FOR RETIREMENT, DOROTHEA. DOROTHEA IS RETIRING. YEAH. GOD BLESS HER. GOOD MORNING. DOROTHEA AND I TALKED. WE WE USED TO TALK A LOT, DIDN'T WE, LADY? GOD BLESS YOU. 
          PUT UP WITH ME A LONG TIME. SO. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. GOOD MORNING. COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR LETTING US RECOGNIZE DOROTHEA, THE CFO. ANGELA IS GOING TO READ A REALLY NICE RESOLUTION HONORING DOROTHEA AND HER 31 YEARS, I BELIEVE. AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL TAKING THE TIME TO LET US DO THIS. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN AT 32 YEARS AND THEN 33. AND GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. MELINDA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN US AS WELL? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO JEFFERSON COUNTY. YOU'VE DONE IT WITH SUCH GRACE AND WISDOM. AND TODAY WE ARE HONORING YOU. WHEREAS, DOROTHEA ROBINSON FAITHFULLY DEVOTED 31 YEARS OF EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE TO JEFFERSON COUNTY PURCHASING DIVISION OF FINANCE, BRINGING PROFESSIONALISM, EXPERTISE, KINDNESS, AND A SPIRIT OF EXCELLENCE THAT STRENGTHENED BOTH HER COLLEAGUES AND THE DEPARTMENT. AND WHEREAS, THROUGHOUT HER TENURE, SHE SERVED IN MULTIPLE KEY ROLES, INCLUDING ADMINISTRATIVE TYPIST, ADMINISTRATIVE CLERK, ONE AND TWO BUYER, SENIOR STORE CLERK AND PRINCIPAL BUYER, EACH REFLECTING HER GROWTH, MASTERY OF HER WORK AND COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC SERVICE. AND WHEREAS A BUYER AND PRINCIPAL BUYER, SHE COMPLETED MORE THAN 300 SOLICITATIONS DEMONSTRATING EXCEPTIONAL PROCUREMENT KNOWLEDGE, ACCURACY, FAIRNESS AND INTEGRITY. AND WHEREAS A PROUD BIRMINGHAM NATIVE RAISED IN COLLEGEVILLE, SHE IS A GRADUATE OF BIRMINGHAM CITY SCHOOL AND EARNED A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE DEGREE FROM FAULKNER UNIVERSITY. REFLECTING HER DEDICATION TO LIFELONG LEARNING. 
          AND WHEREAS, BEYOND HER PROFESSIONAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS, SHE IS A DEVOTED MOTHER TO ANTOINE RIGGS, JAMIE HAMPTON AND CRYSTAL AND AUBREY, A PROUD GRANDMOTHER TO JORDAN ROBINSON, AND A CHERISHED SISTER TO ANGELINE RIDDLE AND NAAMAN RIGGS. JUNIOR. MODELING A LIFELONG COMMITMENT TO FAITH, FAMILY AND UNITY. AND WHEREAS DOROTHEA ROBINSON WILL RETIRE ON JULY 10TH, 2026, CONCLUDING A DISTINGUISHED 31 YEAR CAREER MARKED BY LEADERSHIP, RELIABILITY AND GENUINE CARE FOR HER COWORKERS. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION EXTENDS ITS DEEPEST GRATITUDE TO DOROTHEA ROBINSON FOR HER EXTRAORDINARY CONTRIBUTIONS, STEADFAST DEDICATION, AND THE LASTING IMPACT SHE HAS MADE ON THE DEPARTMENT. SIGNED BY THE JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION ON THIS NINTH DAY OF JULY 2026. 
          THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE. THIS HAS BEEN A A GOOD JOURNEY. JEFFERSON COUNTY IS DEFINITELY A GOOD PLACE TO WORK FOR, AND I APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU AND. AND I LOVE EVERYONE TO THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SHE GOING TO COME OVER. TELL YOU AND ANGELA GET DOWN. MICHAEL. MICHAEL MATTHEWS GET IN HERE A LITTLE CLOSER. OKAY. 
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HELLO? IS THAT EVERYBODY? OH! ONE MORE. COME ON. THAT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE EVERYBODY. OKAY, HERE WE GO. I'M GOING TO TAKE THE FIRST ONE. ONE. TWO. THREE. ONE MORE. ONE TWO. THREE. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. DEFINITELY. TAKE CARE LADY. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. COME AND HELP ME WITH THEM GIRLS. THANK YOU. HOLD ON Y'ALL. TURN IT OFF. NEXT WE HAVE COUNTY MANAGER PRESENTATION OF THE GFOA POPULAR ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORTING AWARD. CAL. GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THE CFO AND HER TEAM AND ALL THE COUNTY DIRECTORS FOR THESE AWARDS. FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS THE ONLY COUNTY IN THE STATE. THIS ACHIEVES THIS. THEY CALL IT THE TRIPLE CROWN STATUS THAT THAT WE HAVE REACHED THE. SO IT'S MADE UP OF THREE DIFFERENT AWARDS. THE DISTINGUISHED BUDGET PRESENTATION AWARD RECEIVED SEVEN YEARS STRAIGHT. SO LENA AND MARILYN. TREMENDOUS JOB. THE AQUIFER. Y'ALL HAVE HEARD OF THAT TERM, BUT THE. RECEIVED THE CERTIFICATE OF ACHIEVEMENT FOR EXCELLENCE IN FINANCIAL REPORTING RECEIVED THREE YEARS STRAIGHT. ANGELA AND THE ENTIRE TEAM. AND THEN THEY ALSO RECEIVED THE POPULAR ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORTING AWARD. THAT'S CALLED THE PEIFER. BUT IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT THAT WAS RECEIVED. AND MELINDA REALLY WORKED HARD ON THAT AND GOT THAT DONE THIS YEAR. SO JEFFERSON COUNTY IS ONE OF 441 COUNTIES IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY TO ACHIEVE THIS. MELINDA AND ROSEMARY WORKED ON THE PAPER. 
          I'M SORRY, BUT ONLY ONE OF 441 COUNTIES IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY, THE ONLY COUNTY IN THE STATE. 
          AND THE CREDIT GOES TO ALL THE FINANCE TEAM, ALL THE DIRECTORS WHO WHO WORK WITH THEM. WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE ALL THIS HAPPEN. AND TO YOU, COMMISSIONERS, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND HELPING US BUDGET MONEY AND AND MAKE THINGS HAPPEN IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY AND PUSHING US TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. SO WE APPRECIATE IT. ANGELA, MELINDA, LENA, MARILYN. 
          TREMENDOUS JOB. AND IT'S GREAT TO BE ON ON A WINNING TEAM. AND THEY BROUGHT HOME THE BACON ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THIS IS MY TEAM. I APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. YOU HAVE WORKED SO HARD THROUGHOUT EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW, THE HARD TIMES AND NOW YOU KNOW THINGS ARE A LITTLE BETTER, BUT YOU STILL WORK HARD EACH AND EVERY DAY. EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, I'M PROUD OF YOU AND I APPRECIATE YOU SO VERY MUCH BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE MAKING US LOOK GOOD. SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE IT'S HARD WORK. IT'S A LOT OF IT'S A LOT OF NUMBERS CRUNCHING, BUT YOU DO IT EACH AND EVERY DAY. 
          AND THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. I WAS GOING TO SAY, CAL. YEAH, I WANT YOUR UNDIVIDED ATTENTION. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO CAL, MISS ANGELA. THAT'S RIGHT. AND TO MELINDA AND MISS LENA AND MARILYN, EVERYBODY, THIS IS HOW WE BUILD CREDIBILITY WITH OUR CONSTITUENTS. BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU MAKE IT PLAIN ON PAPER AND NOT JUST US TALKING AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE CAN BE ABLE TO SEE WHERE THEIR MONEY IS GOING. AND THE MERE FACT THAT I WASN'T HERE DURING BANKRUPTCY. BUT YOU'RE RESTORING THE INTEGRITY OF WHAT HAPPENED AND WHAT TOOK PLACE AND NOT MAKING EXCUSES FOR IT. BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE ROLLING UP OUR SLEEVES AND DOING THE HARD WORK. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE COMMENDED. AND CAL, THE REASON WHY I WANTED 
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YOUR ATTENTION IS BECAUSE I SEE A CAMERA THERE. YOU KNOW, I AM A MEDIA LADY. SO YOU GOT A CAMERA THERE AND THEN YOU GOT MR. SOLOMON CRENSHAW. MISS HELEN NEEDS TO BE DIRECTED TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO WRITE ABOUT AND TO TALK ABOUT, BECAUSE WHEN THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THAT YOU'RE BEING TRANSPARENT AND NOT JUST FOR ELECTION TIME, BUT THIS IS THE WAY YOU DO BUSINESS. YOU DON'T GET AWARDED FOR SEVEN YEARS JUST DOING NOTHING. YOU DON'T GET THREE CONSECUTIVE AWARDS FOR SOMETHING, DOING NOTHING. SO GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO WRITE ABOUT. GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT. SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING AND YOU ALL ARE DOING THE WORK OF THE PEOPLE, AND IT'S UP TO US HOW WE SPEND THE MONEY. BUT ONE THING THAT I'M CLEAR ON, AND I TELL ANYBODY, THIS IS NOT THE CITY I CAME FROM, THE CITY. I WON'T SAY WHAT CITY, BUT WHEN YOU COME TO THE COUNTY, EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO HAS TO BE DOCUMENTED. AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE GOING BY THE RULES, BECAUSE JUST LIKE MR. LAWSON SAID TO ME A LONG TIME AGO, HE SAID, THIS AIN'T THE CITY YOU AT THE COUNTY. AND THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY THAT GET ELECTED WHEN THEY COME OVER HERE, I SAID, WHEREVER YOU COME FROM, THIS AIN'T THAT EBONICS. YOU BETTER UNDERSTAND. YOU AT THE COUNTY AND EVERY RECEIPT, EVERY DOLLAR, GOTTA BE ACCOUNTED FOR. YOU UNDERSTAND? BUT I LIKE IT, I LOVE IT, AND IN FACT, I ALWAYS SAY, WHEN YOU OBEY THE RULES, IT'S LIKE AN UMBRELLA. IT'S GREAT INSURANCE. SO I WANT TO THANK EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU ALL FOR MAKING US BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SERVING. AND GOD BLESS YOU. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND WE ARE BEHIND YOU 100%. THANK YOU. PHOTOS COME UP AND DO A PHOTO, PLEASE. ALL OF YOU. ROSE. MARY. MARILYN. COME ON, FINANCE TEAM. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE Y'ALL. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WHY? HEY, BRO, WITH THAT TEAM. 
          NO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BABY. THAT WAS GOOD. THANK YOU. GO. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. Y'ALL WANT TO START DOUBLE STACKING HERE? JOE. YOU GOT A WIDE SHOT. YEAH I DO, YOU DO. YEAH. YOU DIDN'T GET EVERYBODY. DO YOU HAVE EVERYONE. YEAH. DO YOU DO. YES. ALRIGHT. OKAY. YOU GOT ME. SO I CAN'T SEE HIM. COME OVER HERE. WHY DON'T YOU COME ON. 123. ONE MORE. ONE TWO THREE. THERE WE GO. TURN THEM. OKAY. HOLD ON. PHILIP. YEAH! YOU BLOCKED. ONE STEP. ALL RIGHT. HE SAID, SOLOMON, I WANT TO SEE THIS PICTURE PRINTED. WHAT A GOOD WRITER. HERE WE GO. ONE. TWO. 
          THREE. THANK YOU. SELENA. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. GOOD. GOOD JOB, GOOD JOB. CLEARED THAT OUT. IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A FINANCIAL STATEMENT. THEY DO A GREAT JOB. AND I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT WHEN WE FIRST JOE AND I FIRST TOOK OFFICE, I SAID IN JOE'S SEAT AND ASKED THE CURRENT CFO. THEN FOR A 13 WEEK CASH FLOW STATEMENT, AND JOE CAN REMEMBER 
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THAT THAT RESPONSE WAS. AND WE DID THAT FOR 6 OR 7 MONTHS, AND HE NEVER WAS ABLE TO PRODUCE A 13 WEEK CASH FLOW STATEMENT, WHICH IS A THREE MONTH OF OF WHAT TO EXPECT AND HOW YOU CAN SPEND YOUR MONEY IN THE NEXT. WELL, HE DIDN'T MAKE IT TO MONTH SEVEN. OKAY. THAT WAS BACK WHEN THE COMMISSION HAD THE ABILITY TO FIRE SOMEONE. SO NOW WE GOT TO DEPENDING ON CAO TO HANDLE HANDLE THOSE TYPE JOBS. AND THANK GOODNESS, THANK GOODNESS THAT WE HAVE YOU, YOU LEADING OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT. GOD BLESS YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. STAY DILIGENT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNTY STAYS ON THE PROPER TRACK. THANK YOU. SHE WILL. NOW, I SAY THIS TO THE LAST OF THE PRESENTATIONS, AND I'M GOING TO STEP DOWN THERE AND DO IT MYSELF. THIS IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS THAT I'VE DONE IN A WHILE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH IT AND I KNOW. YOU KNOW. YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AND YOU, YOU TAKE EVERYONE FOR GRANTED. WE DO SO ON THE COMMISSION. WE JUST KNOW EXPECT THEM TO BE THERE TOMORROW AND WE CAN CUT UP, WE CAN HAVE A GOOD TIME. AND SOMETIMES THE GOOD LORD HAS A DIFFERENT PLAN FOR THAT. AND WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT PLAN AND MOVE FORWARD. BUT ON BEHALF OF THE JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION, I WOULD LIKE TO HONOR MY GOOD FRIEND BILL NORTH. WHEREAS, IT IS WITH PROFOUND SORROW THAT THE JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION ACKNOWLEDGES THE PASSING OF ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY WILLIAM BILL NORTH, A DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVANT WHOSE COMMITMENT TO JUSTICE, INTEGRITY AND THE RULE OF LAW LEFT A LASTING IMPACT UPON JEFFERSON COUNTY AND THE CITIZENS HE FAITHFULLY SERVED. AND WHEREAS BILL NORTH DEVOTED HIS PROFESSIONAL CAREER TO THE PURSUIT OF JUSTICE AS AN ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY JUST SHY OF 29 YEARS, EARNING THE RESPECT AND ADMIRATION OF HIS COLLEAGUES, MEMBERS OF THE JUDICIARY, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND THE LEGAL COMMUNITY. THROUGH HIS UNWAVERING PROFESSIONALISM, SOUND JUDGMENT, AND STEADFAST COMMITMENT TO PROTECTING THE PEOPLE OF JEFFERSON COUNTY. AND WHEREAS, THROUGHOUT HIS YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE, HE EXEMPLIFIED THE HIGHEST IDEALS A LEGAL PROFESSIONALISM, DEMONSTRATING COMPASSION FOR VICTIMS, FAIRNESS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE, AND THE ENDURING DEDICATION TO SERVING THE PUBLIC WITH HONOR AND DISTINCTION. AND WHEREAS, BEYOND HIS PROFESSIONAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS, BILL NORTH WILL BE REMEMBERED AS A MAN OF CHARACTER, KINDNESS, HUMILITY, AND UNWAVERING INTEGRITY WHOSE INFLUENCE EXTENDED FAR BEYOND THE COURTROOM AND WHOSE FRIENDSHIP AND MENTORSHIP ENRICHED THE LIVES OF COUNTLESS INDIVIDUALS. AND WHEREAS HIS PASSING LEAVES AN IMMEASURABLE VOID IN THE JEFFERSON COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, AMONG THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY, THROUGHOUT THE LEGAL PROFESSION AND IN THE HEARTS AND IN HIS FAMILY, FRIENDS IN ALL WHO HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF KNOWING HIM. AND WHEREAS, THE JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION JOINS WITH THE CITIZENS OF JEFFERSON COUNTY IN MOURNING THE LOSS OF THIS DISTINGUISHED PUBLIC SERVANT WHILE CELEBRATING A LIFE DEVOTED TO JUSTICE, SERVICE, AND THE 
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BETTERMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY. NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION HEREBY HONORS AND COMMEMORATES THE LIFE OF OVER 29 YEARS OF FAITHFUL SERVICE OF BILL NORTH AND EXPRESSES HIS PROFOUND APPRECIATION FOR THE CONTRIBUTION HE MADE TO THE SAFETY, INTEGRITY, AND STABILITY OF JEFFERSON COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT THE COMMISSION EXTENDS ITS DEEPEST SYMPATHY TO THE FAMILY, FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES AND DIRECTS THAT A COPY OF THIS RESOLUTION BE PRESENTED TO THIS FAMILY AS A PERMANENT EXPRESSION OF THE COUNTY'S RESPECT, GRATITUDE AND REMEMBRANCE. SIGNED BY THE JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION ON THIS NINTH DAY OF JULY 2026. GOD BLESS YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOU AND WE LOVE. AND WE. MR. GOD BLESS YOU. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. THIS MEANS A LOT. I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT SERVICES WILL BE HELD ON FRIDAY THE 17TH, NOT TOMORROW AT 2:30 P.M. AT ALL SAINTS EPISCOPAL CHURCH IN HOMEWOOD. THANK YOU. I WANT TO TAKE THIS TIME TO THANK THE COUNTY COMMISSION FOR RECOGNIZING THE LIFE AND LEGACY OF BILL NORTH. 
          THIS HAS BEEN EXTREMELY HARD FOR OUR OFFICE FAMILY, EXTREMELY HARD. HALF OF US WERE IN ORANGE BEACH FOR A CONFERENCE AND A FEW WERE IN THE OFFICE. THE ADMINS AND MAYBE TWO ASSISTANT DA'S AND ONE INVESTIGATOR. THE OTHER INVESTIGATORS WERE IN ORANGE BEACH AS WELL, AND IT WAS VERY HARD FOR ME TO STAY IN ORANGE BEACH KNOWING THAT I HAD HALF OF MY FAMILY HERE AND THEN HALF THERE. BUT WHEN WE GOT TOGETHER, IT MADE THE DIFFERENCE. AND TO THE NORTH FAMILY BILL MEANS SO MUCH TO THE ENTIRE OFFICE. HE WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN. HIS QUIRKY SENSE OF HUMOR. WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THAT. BUT. BUT WE LOVE YOU. I'M HONORED TO HAVE BEEN THERE AND HONORED TO HAVE MET ALL OF YOU. NOT UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT WE LOVE YOU. 
          BILL WILL ALWAYS BE A PART OF OUR FAMILY, AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU. AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER STEVENS, FOR BRINGING THIS RESOLUTION, PROCLAMATION, AND ALSO EVERYTHING THAT I SAID. IT EXTENDS TO OUR CHIEF ASSISTANT, DA LANE TOLBERT, AS WELL. THANK YOU. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS TO. I WAS A PRACTICING ATTORNEY FOR 35 YEARS. JUDGE BOLAND WAS A PRACTICING ATTORNEY. THE NIECE WAS TOLBERT. WE ALL WERE LAWYERS BEFORE WE GOT OUR POSITIONS HERE. AND WE'VE WE'VE HE WAS, HE WAS HE WAS FAIR TO US AS DEFENSE LAWYERS. IF WE HAD A CASE, HE WOULD LISTEN TO US. AND AND, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T ALWAYS WORK OUT FOR OUR CLIENTS. BUT, YOU KNOW, HE WAS HE WAS EVEN KEELED. BUT HE WAS A LITTLE QUIRKY BECAUSE HE WOULD HE WOULD DO SOME THINGS TO SAY SOMETHING. BUT THAT THAT LOWERED THE TENSION IN THAT WAY AND YOU COULD INTERACT WITH HIM. AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, HE DIED DOING TWO THINGS. HE LOVED NUMBER ONE, SAILING AND NUMBER TWO, HELPING SOMEBODY ELSE. SO OUR CONDOLENCES ARE WITH YOU ALL. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING TODAY. AND HE'LL BE SORELY MISSED. THANK YOU. IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU WOULD INTRODUCE YOURSELVES, I NOTICED THAT YOU IF YOU CAN COME OVER TO THE PODIUM, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE FOR GRANTED YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO HIM. I'M HIS MOTHER. THAT IS NORTH. OKAY? AND HIS BROTHER, STEVEN NORTH AND MY WIFE LOUISE. OKAY, SO LET ME SAY THIS. FIRST OF ALL, I KNOW THAT FOR THE DA'S OFFICE 
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AND THE CUT OFF, THAT HAS TO BE DIFFERENT. 29 YEARS, THAT'S A LONG TIME FOR HIM TO BE THERE. 
          SO HOPEFULLY YOU WILL PUT SOME SORT OF NAME TAG OR SOMETHING THERE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE HE MADE A MARK, THEN MAKE SURE HE HAS A MARK ON THE BUILDING SOMEWHERE. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT INSIDE TO REMEMBER HIM FOR. BUT I READ THAT PART ABOUT HIM, WHAT HE WAS DOING AT THE TIME, AND TRYING TO HELP SOMEONE. AND THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS THAT OBVIOUSLY WORDS CAN NEVER REPLACE HIM. BUT I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT ANYTIME SOMEONE WORKS ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY, THE WORK THAT THEY DO WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN. BUT I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT THE LORD KEEPS GOOD BOOKS AND HE NEVER FORGETS. MAN WILL FORGET YOUR LABOR OF LOVE, BUT GOD NEVER FORGETS. AND SO THAT'S THE COMFORT THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN YOUR HEART, IS THAT HE'S IN A BETTER PLACE. AND PRAYERFULLY, YOU WILL SEE HIM THERE AND JUST TAKE COMFORT EVERY DAY. IT'S JUST GOING TO TAKE ONE DAY AT A TIME, YOU UNDERSTAND. BUT JUST KNOW THAT AS YOUR JEFFERSON COUNTY FAMILY, THAT WE STAND WITH YOU AND THAT WE APPRECIATE YOU, WE APPRECIATE HIM, BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU. IT TOOK A LOT OF COURAGE TO COME UP HERE TODAY. HE HASN'T EVEN BEEN FUNERALIZED YET. SO THE MERE FACT YOU'RE HERE TODAY THAT SPEAKS TO YOUR COURAGE AS WELL. SO GOD BLESS YOU, KEEP YOU, PROTECT YOU, AND GIVE YOU SUPERNATURAL PEACE. THANK YOU. YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ELAINE. THANK YOU ALL FOR WHAT WHAT YOU DO AND FOR BEING PART OF THIS AND BRINGING THIS FORWARD. THANK YOU. WELL, LET'S TRY TO GET BACK IN OUR. AGENDA. WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS TODAY. WE HAVE 
          [VII. PUBLIC HEARINGS ]
ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADD TO OUR OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH IS AN ANNEX INTO THE ROCKY RIDGE FIRE DISTRICT. IT'S NUMBER 29 IS A RESOLUTION ON THE AGENDA. OH, IT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING. AND AT THIS TIME, OH, DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM ROCKY RIDGE WHO WOULD SPEAK ON THIS? WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND DESCRIBE THE ANNEXATION? PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM JUST VERY BRIEFLY. NAME, RANK AND NUMBER? YES, SIR. MICHAEL BARTLETT, ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF, ROCKY RIDGE FIRE DISTRICT THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT WAS IN UNINCORPORATED JEFFERSON COUNTY WHERE THEY BUILT THE HOME, WAS SEEKING FIRE PROTECTION FOR IT, AND WE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO FOLLOW OUR ENABLING STATUTE TO BRING THAT INTO THE DISTRICT. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR NUMBER 29, FOR THE ANNEXATION, FOR CERTAIN PROPERTIES IN INTO THE ROCKY RIDGE FIRE DISTRICT. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OR IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PETITION? PARTICULAR ISSUE. SEEING NONE. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. ITEM. HAVE A MOTION. 
          AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IT'S YOUR ANNEXED. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT WE HAVE IS 26001 FOR ZOE HOLT. IT IS AN IRREVOCABLE TRUST FOR OUR 63 LOT SUBDIVISION. 60 LOTS PROPOSED ARE ONE AND THREE PROPOSED E ONE. JOSH? YES, SIR. 
          GOOD MORNING. COMMISSIONERS. AS YOU SAID, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR 61 LOTS AND THREE ESTATE LOTS, AS WELL AS A SIX ACRE CEMETERY PLOT. SO IT'S MULTIPLE ZONING CATEGORIES, THE R ONE BEING THE PRINCIPAL REQUEST. THIS REQUEST CAME TO YOU ALL ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND WAS DENIED DUE TO LACK OF MOTION. THIS IS THE EXACT SAME REQUEST THAT THEY HAD LAST TIME. UNDER OUR NEW REGULATIONS AND NEW FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT. WE DESIGNATED THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL AS A STATE ON OUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP. SO THE REQUEST FOR R ONE. AND THEN OF COURSE THE STATE IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT. PRESENTLY THE PARCEL IS ZONED A ONE FOR AGRICULTURAL 
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USE. YOU SEE THE AERIAL HERE. AND HERE'S THE THE. AS YOU CAN TELL FROM THE LAYOUT THEY'RE THEY'VE GOT A EMERGENCY FIRE INSURANCE COMING OFF OF HANNAH LANE INTO THE BACK OF THE SUBDIVISION. NOW THAT'S BASED OFF OF THE FIRE CODE THAT WE'VE GOT IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COUNTY ENGINEER'S OFFICE TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY ACCESS FOR ANYTHING OVER 30 LOTS. THAT WON'T BE A PUBLIC ENTRANCE. IT'LL BE JUST FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO COME IN WITH A KNOX BOX IN CASE THAT ROAD IS BLOCKED. THE MAIN ROAD OFF LOU GEORGE LOOP IS BLOCKED OFF. AND. THERE WAS SOME WE DID RECEIVE SOME SOME FEEDBACK ON BOTH ENDS OF THIS CASE FROM THE PUBLIC AND THE NEIGHBORS. WE DID GET ONE LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT, AND THEN WE RECEIVED SOME LETTERS THAT WERE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC AS WELL AS DRAINAGE IN THE AREA. 
          AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS ALSO SOME OPPOSITION AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. 
          THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE FOR THIS, AND THE ONLY COMMENTS THAT CAME BACK FROM THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME DELAYS DURING PEAK HOURS IF IT WERE TO BE BUILT BASED OFF OF A 2028 FORECAST. I'M SORRY I WENT TOO FAR. BASED OFF THAT, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE DENSITY SHALL NOT EXCEED 1.4 UNITS PER ACRE, AND THAT IS COUCHED OFF OF OUR CONSISTENT, THE DEVELOPMENT BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE AREA, AS WELL AS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS GOALS TO PROVIDE WORKFORCE HOUSING FOR MAJOR DEVELOPMENTS LIKE THE HOSPITAL. OKAY. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING FOR Z 260014. WE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED TO TO SPEAK. WE HAVE TWO AGAINST AND TWO FOR. SO LET'S BEGIN WITH THE AGAINST. THAT'S THE WAY IT APPEARS IN ON OUR ON OUR SHEET HERE. KENNY MCMURRAY 7563. LOU GEORGE LOOP BUS. MY NAME IS KENNY MCMURRAY. AS HE SAID, I'M AT 75, 63 LOU GEORGE LOOP. AND WE BROUGHT THIS BEFORE Y'ALL BEFORE IT WAS DENIED. WE'VE ASKED THAT THEY RECONSIDER THE NUMBER OF RESIDENCES THEY WANT TO PUT IN HERE. ESTATE PLANNING OR ESTATE ZONING IS WHAT THIS WAS PROPOSED FOR BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND BY THE MOVE FORWARD THAT WAS PASSED THROUGH ZONING AND BY Y'ALL. WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT STILL BECAUSE OF THE DRAINAGE. YOU HAVE A LETTER THAT WE SUBMITTED TO YOU ABOUT THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS THERE, AND WE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDRESSED. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDRESSED, BECAUSE IT DIRECTLY AFFECTS MYSELF AND MY WIFE AND MY CHILDREN, BECAUSE IT COMES ACROSS OUR PROPERTY. ANOTHER THING, AND YOU KNOW, Y'ALL SEEN ME UP HERE ENOUGH. YOU KNOW ME. YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO HARP ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE THING. THERE'S THE BIG THING THERE AGAIN, IS BECAUSE OF THE ROAD SYSTEM THERE. I KNOW THE TRAFFIC STUDY HAS BEEN DONE. IF YOU'RE OUT THERE AT CERTAIN TIMES, IT'S GREAT, BUT OTHER TIMES YOU'RE TRYING TO GO TO WORK. THE ROUNDABOUT HELPS SOME BY THE HOSPITAL. I AGREE, BUT IT DON'T HELP ON OUR ROAD AND WE SEEM TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE WANTING TO USE LOU GEORGE LOOP AS A DRAG STRIP NOW. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THAT IN THE FUTURE. I'VE TALKED WITH COUNTY SHERIFF ABOUT IT AND NOT THE SHERIFF, BUT A DEPUTY ABOUT IT. 
          SO BUT OUR THING IS, IS IF YOU WANT TO DEVELOP THIS, WHICH IS NOT THAT I'M AGAINST DEVELOPMENT, LET'S PUT IT TO WHERE IT'S MORE IN LINE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA. YEAH. 
          THERE'S A SUBDIVISION THERE ACROSS FROM IT THAT GOT PUT IN AND IT GOT CHANGED SOME STUFF. 
          AND THERE'S A LOT MORE HOUSES IN THERE, I THINK THAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN. WE HAVE A SUBDIVISION DIRECTLY BEHIND US THAT THEY APPROACHED Y'ALL WITH. THEY ARE BUILDING IT. THEY APPROACHED YOU ORIGINALLY, I BELIEVE, 102 HOUSES ON 40 ACRES OF LAND. THEY HAVE SINCE COME BACK. THEY WERE ABLE TO COME IN. THEY ARE PUTTING 31 HOUSES ON 40 ACRES OF LAND. OKAY, THAT SOUNDS MORE REALISTIC. OUT IN THE COUNTY AREA WHERE WE'RE AT OUT THERE, CAN WE NOT DO SOMETHING WITH THIS? THAT THAT'S MY THING IS IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY HAVEN'T CHANGED THIS, BUT NOT THREE LOTS OFF OF THE PLAN THAT WAS DENIED. SO TO ME IT HADN'T 
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CHANGED. SO CAN WE NOT CUT THE LOT SIZE. I MEAN CUT THE LOTS DOWN THE NUMBER OF HOUSES THAT'S IN HERE. YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS HEAR IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. WELL YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT HOW WE LIVE OUT THERE NOW. YOU KNOW, WE MOVED TO THE COUNTY. I'VE BEEN LIVING IN THIS COUNTY MY WHOLE LIFE IN THIS AREA. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED HERE. THEN I MIGHT BE IN ACCEPTANCE OF IT. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. Y'ALL GOT ANY QUESTIONS OF ME? YEAH. YOU MENTIONED THE DRAINAGE. WHAT DID YOU SAY YOUR ADDRESS WAS? I'M AT 7563 LOU GEORGE LOOP, WHICH IF YOU SEE THE DRIVE RIGHT IN THAT CURVE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S ALL OUR PROPERTY RIGHT THERE. YOU SEE WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE A CREEK COMING DOWN THROUGH THERE. THAT ACTUALLY IS WHERE THERE'S A CREEK CLOSER TO THAT. ABOVE THAT, THERE'S A DRAINAGE DITCH THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN YEARS AGO. AND NOW WE HAVE A INSTEAD OF HAVING A SMALL DITCH COMING ACROSS OUR PASTURE AND STUFF, WE HAVE A SIX, EIGHT FOOT WIDE, SIX EIGHT FOOT DEEP EROSION PROBLEM. AND WHEN THEY CLEARCUT THE PROPERTY ORIGINALLY THAT DUMPED MORE WATER ON US. SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO ADDRESS THAT? IF WE DO PUT SOME KIND OF SUBDIVISION IN THIS THING RIGHT NOW, I CANNOT EVEN PUT THE TRACTOR IN THE LOWER FIELD DOWN THERE BECAUSE OF WATER THAT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBDIVISION, BUT THERE'S WATER IN OUR LOWER FIELD THAT'S NEVER BEEN THERE BEFORE. WHERE'S IT COMING FROM? AND SOME OF IT'S COMING FROM ACROSS THE STREET. SO. SECOND. YES, SIR. NEXT, LET'S GO WITH SOMEONE FOR FOR. 
          MELANIE HART, 1195 MOORE ROAD. SHE SAID SHE DIDN'T YIELD TO MATT REVELLE. 130306 MICHAEL DRIVE, DRIVE. MCCULLOUGH. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. MORNING, MATT. REBEL. I'M REPRESENTING THE HOLT FAMILY TRUST IN THIS MATTER. WE WE HAVE BEEN BEFORE YOU SEVERAL TIMES ON THIS THIS PROPERTY TRYING TO GET IT REZONED. AND I'D LIKE TO TO SAY RESPECTFULLY TO MR. MCMURRAY, WE STARTED ORIGINALLY SEEKING A RG DESIGNATION WITH 107 LOTS, AND WE'VE BEEN. AFTER WE'VE DENIED THAT TIME, WE WENT BACK AND WHITTLED IT DOWN TO OUR OTHER PLAN, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS, BUT WE HAD 61 AND THE CEMETERY WHERE WE WERE TRYING TO GET REZONE TO, BUT WE HAVE SINCE WORKED THE CEMETERY OUT IN A DIFFERENT PLAN, AND WE HAVE YIELDED ONE MORE LOT. SO WE HAVE A 60 LOT PLAN WITH THE THREE STATE LOTS. AND I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE MCMURRAY'S AND. 
          AND HE SAYS THAT HE WOULD BE WILLING TO LOOK AT SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE ONE RIGHT BEHIND HIM, BUT. I WAS TOLD THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. AND SO THAT'S WE HAVE TRIED TO WORK WITH EVERYBODY. WE'VE. THE MAIN OPPOSITION WE HAVE HAVE SEEN IS ON THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY. PEOPLE ON THE NORTH HAVE ALL MENTIONED HAVE HAD ONE LETTER THAT SAID. OUR LETTER OF SUPPORT, AND HE WAS ONE SOMEONE, MR. DAVID VINES, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY AGAINST IT, AND HE HAS SINCE DECIDED HE'S FOR IT NOW, AS WELL AS ONE OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS UP ON THE NORTH END, MR. AARON SIZEMORE. SO. HE HAS AGREED IN WRITING TO PURCHASE ONE OF THE LOTS ON THE NORTH END WHEN WE GET IT AND HOPEFULLY GET IT REZONED, AS WELL AS INSTALLING A 25 FOOT BUFFER ALONG THE NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY AND HIS ADJOINING PROPERTY. AND OF COURSE, THE ROADS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS PEOPLE BRING UP EVERY TIME. JUST ABOUT ANY CASE, I THINK BEFORE YOU, SOMEONE HAS HAS A PROBLEM WITH THE ROADS IN THE JEFFERSON COUNTY ROADS OUT THERE, IN MY OPINION, ARE ARE GOOD AND THEY'RE SOME OF THE BETTER THAT I. I HAVE TRAVELED ON. IT'S FAIRLY FRESH, I GUESS. REPAVEMENT IT'S NOT FULL OF POTHOLES. IT'S A GOOD SMOOTH RIDE. THERE IS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DO DRIVE WAY TOO FAST, BUT THAT'S JUST THE CASE. YOU GET ANY ROAD YOU'RE ON. THAT'S JUST A MATTER OF OF MAYBE LAW ENFORCEMENT BEING MORE ON PATROL OUT THERE OR HAVING MORE OF A PRESENCE TO KEEP THE TRAFFIC AT A NORMAL SPEED. I THINK 35 IS WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT IS. AND I KNOW IT'S 
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NOT UNCOMMON TO SEE PEOPLE FLYING DOWN THROUGH THERE ALL THE TIME, GOING AWAY IN EXCESS OF 35 MILES AN HOUR. WE DID DO A TRAFFIC STUDY IN, IN MY READING OF IT, THAT IT WAS NO APPRECIABLE IMPACT OTHER THAN AT PEAK TIMES. AND THAT'S, AGAIN, ANY ANYTHING YOU DO EARLY IN THE MORNING, SCHOOL TIME, COMING HOME IN THE AFTERNOONS, IT DON'T MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE TRAFFIC JUST BY THE NATURE OF MORE CARS BEING OUT. WE HAVE TRIED TO, TO AGAIN, KEEP THE THE NATURE OF THE AREA, THE THE BUILDER WE HAVE CHOSEN IS, IS ONE THAT'S NOT NOT REALLY KNOWN. AND IT'S A, IT'S A REPUTABLE LOCAL BUILDER IN AND OUT OF BIRMINGHAM, NUMBER ONE, BUT IS A LITTLE HIGHER QUALITY, WE'D LIKE TO SAY, THAN SOME OF THE OTHER THAT YOU SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THE AREA OUT THERE. HE'S A BUILT A MORE QUALITY HOME. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOMES AT A VALUE OF, I'D SAY, AROUND $350,000. SO WE FEEL THAT THAT WOULD BE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN AND OF ITSELF, JUST RAISING PROPERTY VALUE, BECAUSE THERE'S A GOOD BIT OF, OF BLIGHT OUT THERE IN THAT AREA ALONG LOU GEORGE LOOP. AND WE HAVE HAVE DOCUMENTED SOME OF THAT IN THE PAST. BUT THE DRAINAGE IS SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN AS WELL. THE TIMBER WAS CUT IN EARLY 2024 OR I SAY EARLY SPRING, EARLY SUMMER OF 2024. AND THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, THE STATE OF ALABAMA WERE FOLLOWED. THE STREAM THAT RUNS THROUGH THE PROPERTY THAT YOU SEE THE BLUE LINE RUNNING ON THE SOUTHERN END, JUST ABOVE THE STATE LOTS AND BELOW THE DETENTION POND. IT IS AN EPHEMERAL CREEK. IT ONLY HAS WATER IN IT DURING RAIN EVENTS. IT'S NOT A FLOWING CREEK. 247. 
          RARELY DOES IT HAVE WATER IN IT. I HAVE HAVE PICTURES I COULD DISTRIBUTE IF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE SHOWING. THE WATER FLOW. AFTER A ROUGHLY THREE INCH RAIN EVENT, I WENT OUT THERE AND TOOK PICTURES OF. AND. ALL. AGAIN, ALL THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES WERE FOLLOWED AND TAKEN CARE OF. THAT CREEK. EVEN THOUGH AN EPHEMERAL CREEK DOES NOT REQUIRE A BUFFER BUFFER ZONE LEFT ALONG IT. STREAMSIDE MANAGEMENT ZONE S, M, Z AS WE REFER TO THEM. IT WAS ONE LEFT. ANYWAY, WE TRIED TO TAKE CARE OF THE CREEK AND THE FIRST PLAN THAT WE HAD WITH THE RG DESIGNATION, WE ACTUALLY CROSSED THE CREEK WITH TWO. WE HAD TWO ENTRANCES, TWO ENTRANCES, ONE ON LOU GEORGE LOOP ON THIS END AND ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE, CLOSER TO WHERE THE THE ONE IS WE HAVE NOW, AND WE HAD TO CROSS THE CREEK. AND SO TO AVOID THE MITIGATION OF CROSSING THE CREEK AND ALL THAT THAT WOULD ENTAIL, IN THE FURTHER DEGRADATION OF THE CREEK, WE DECIDED TO GO WITH THIS PLAN, THE STATE LOTS AND THE LOWER PLOT DENSITY, TO TRY TO SAVE AS MUCH OF THE CREEK AS WE COULD WITHOUT HAVING TO GET IN, GET INTO IT AFTER. SHORTLY AFTER THE TIMBER WAS CUT, SOMEONE IN THE AREA MADE AN ANONYMOUS TIP TO A DM TO REPORT US FOR STORMWATER WATER DRAINAGE VIOLATIONS. THAT WAS HANDLED BECAUSE THIS WAS A FORESTRY OPERATION AT THE TIME, THERE WAS NO CONTRACT TO BUY THE PROPERTY FOR SUBDIVISION, SO IT WAS CONSIDERED A FORESTRY OPERATION, WHICH IS, I GUESS, A DIFFERENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE PERMITS FROM A DM TO DO FORESTRY OPERATIONS, AND THE TIMBER WAS CUT. AND LIKE I SAY, WE LEFT BUFFER STRIPS WHERE IT NEEDED TO BE, AND A DM WENT OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT IT. AND THEIR ONLY PROBLEM WITH IT WAS, IS WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PERMIT STORMWATER PERMITS. AND SO THAT WAS WORKED OUT WITH THEM. 
          BECAUSE IF, OF COURSE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IF THIS GETS GETS APPROVED, THERE WILL BE ALL KINDS OF PERMITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED, STORMWATER DRAINAGE AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT, THAT PERTAIN TO THIS VERY THING OF DEALING WITH THE CREEK, MITIGATING RUNOFF AND DRAINAGE ON, ON ADJACENT LANDOWNERS. AND ALL THAT ENTAILS IS, IS MORE THAN I KNOW ALL ABOUT. BUT I DO KNOW THAT ALL THAT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF AND ADDRESSED AND HANDLED AS BEST IT CAN BE BY ENGINEERS AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO DO ALL THAT STUFF PRIOR TO ANY GROUNDING BEING BROKEN AS FAR AS PUTTING IN ROADS AND LOTS AND, AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND WE WILL BE CONNECTED TO SEWER, JEFFERSON COUNTY SEWER. AND THERE'S A PUMPING STATION DIRECTLY, NOT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ROAD, BUT JUST, JUST ACROSS THE GEORGIA LOOP AND DOWN JUST AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE MAP. YOU CAN SEE IF YOU LOOK REAL CLOSE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A SMALL BUILDING RIGHT THERE OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND THAT'S A PUMPING STATION FOR 
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THE SEWAGE. AND WE'LL BE CONNECTING INTO THE SEWAGE FOR THIS PROJECT. I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I NEED TO COVER WITH YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM. YOU. JOSH, YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT, SIR. THANK YOU. SO, JOSH, DID I UNDERSTAND EARLIER THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME MODIFICATION? I WANT TO, FOR THE RECORD, WAS THERE SOME MODIFICATION THAT WAS MADE TO THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION AS IT RELATES TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY IN TERMS OF HOW MANY UNITS PER ACREAGE? NO, MA'AM. THIS IS AN IDENTICAL PLAN TO WHAT WAS DENIED PREVIOUSLY. OKAY, OKAY. ONE LAST LOT AT 61. OKAY. I'M CORRECTED. NO, I MEAN, I'M LISTENING. I. OKAY, SO HAVE WE ADDRESSED THE GENTLEMAN'S CONCERN AS IT RELATES TO HIS PROPERTY? I'M SPEAKING OF THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE BLACK SHIRT ON. AND PLEASE FORGIVE ME, SIR. I DIDN'T GET YOUR NAME. MCMURRY. OKAY. SO DID WE. ATTEMPT TO TRY TO ADDRESS HIS CONCERNS? YES, MA'AM. SO IN THE STAFF REPORT, I MEAN, ONE SECOND. OKAY, I THOUGHT I HEARD, BUT I WANT TO BE SURE. YES, MA'AM. I'M THE DRAINING ENGINEERING COMMENTS WERE THAT THE. THERE WILL BE A PRELIMINARY DRAINAGE ANALYSIS STUDY ON THE PROPERTY AND ESSENTIALLY THAT THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE NO NEGATIVE UPSTREAM OR DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS FROM THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ONCE IT'S IN THE GROUND. HAVE MR. MCMURRAY BEEN NOTIFIED OF THIS FINDING? NO, MA'AM. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD PROBABLY DO. BUT TYPICALLY THAT'S ADDRESSED AT THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. WE HAVE ALL THE ENGINEERING SET IN FRONT OF US BECAUSE HE SAID HE WOULD BE AMENABLE IF IF CERTAIN THINGS WERE IN PLACE. AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE AFTER HEARING WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED, THAT IT SEEMS THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME MODIFICATION. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, THAT YOU ALL HAVE ADDRESSED HIS MAIN CONCERN, WHICH IS HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT DRAINAGE. SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S COMMUNICATED PROPERLY TO HIM. 
          YES, MA'AM. RIGHT. AND SO IF YOU CAN NOT GIVING YOU A DIRECTIVE, BUT CAL, IF YOU CAN DIRECT STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT MR. MCMURRAY IS AT LEAST PRIVY TO THAT INFORMATION. I MEAN, THAT ALWAYS MAKES PEOPLE FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING OUT FOR THEIR BEST INTEREST TO YOU UNDERSTAND? YES, MA'AM. THAT SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, MOST DEVELOPMENTS, IF THE ZONING IS APPROVED, THEN ONE OF THE ONE OF YOUR REQUIREMENTS IS A DRAINAGE STUDY. AND ANY EFFECTS DOWNSTREAM OR UPSTREAM HAVE TO BE MITIGATED, DOCUMENTED. AND ALL THE ENGINEERING CALCULATIONS DONE AND APPROVED BY OUR STAFF. SO PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS, IF YOU ALL APPROVE THE ZONING, WOULD BE A AN IN-DEPTH DRAINAGE STUDY. 
          WE'LL BE GLAD TO SHARE THAT WITH THE DOWNSTREAM RECIPIENTS AS WELL. OKAY. NOT ONLY WILL YOU SHARE THE INFORMATION, BUT IF THERE IS ANYTHING TO BE FOUND, IT WILL BE MITIGATED. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PUTTING ROOFS OUT THERE. SO THERE WILL THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF WATER STORAGE OR TO, TO MITIGATE THAT. WE KNOW THAT THE DEVELOPER KNOWS THAT, BUT WE'LL BE GLAD TO SHARE THAT AND HOW THEY'RE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ADDRESS IT. 
          WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A DETENTION POND, POTENTIALLY. YES, SIR. WHO'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UPKEEP OF THE DETENTION POND AND HOW HOW ARE THE PROVISIONS FOR THAT ONGOING AFTER THE DEVELOPER FINISHES HIS. OH, GOOD QUESTION. MAYBE FOR THE DEVELOPER. WELL, HOMEOWNERS, Y'ALL HAVE A NEW Y'ALL HAVE A NEW RULE. WE WILL REQUIRE THE DOCUMENTS OF EACH DEED TO CREATE A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, CREATE AN ACCOUNT. 
          THEY WILL HAVE TO FUND THE UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE OF IT. YOU'LL TYPICALLY SEE AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT, WE COME FORWARD WITH THESE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS WITH THESE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS. SO THEY'LL HAVE TO SIGN AN AGREEMENT WITH US TO PROVIDE THE UPKEEP. WILL THERE BE FULL DISCLOSURE ABOUT THAT TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING THE HOMES? YES, SIR. OKAY. SO LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION BECAUSE, JIMMY, I NOTICED IN YOUR DISTRICT, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF. BUT NO, YOU'RE FINE. HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT. SO BEING THAT WE AS A COMMISSION HAVE ALREADY PUT THE POLICIES IN PLACE, I WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND WE HAVE PUT THE POLICIES IN PLACE IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A HOA THAT IS AWARE OF EVERY HOME THAT IS BUILT, THAT HOME OWNER IS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING 
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THEY MUST PARTICIPATE IN HOA. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE HOA WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IF THERE IS A RETENTION POND OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. IS THAT CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. NOW, THAT BEING SAID, ARE YOU, SIR, AWARE OF THIS, MR. MCMURRAY, OF THE POLICIES OF THE COMMISSION AS IT RELATES TO THAT? WELL, I'M I'M AWARE OF SOME OF IT. YES, SIR. AND THE I GUESS I'M BACK TO JIMMY. STAND UP. YES, PLEASE. YOU KNOW, AS GENTLEMEN SAID, THAT I WAS COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO THIS. AND Y'ALL JUST HEARD ME SAY THAT I AM WILLING TO NEGOTIATE HERE WITH SOME STUFF. AND, YOU KNOW, I I'M REFRAINING FROM SAYING SOME THINGS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER MADE THAT STATEMENT THAT. 
          NO, YOU CAN'T PUT A SUBDIVISION IN HERE. NO, WE'RE YEAH, WE'RE AGAINST IT. WE WANT TO KEEP THE COUNTY LIKE THE COUNTY IS IN THE COUNTRY LIKE THE COUNTRYSIDE IS. YES. BUT IF IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT WE WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO FIT IN WITH WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE. THAT'S THE THING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE UP HERE BEFORE AND EVERYONE THAT WAS HERE THAT STOOD UP, WE DON'T HAVE SOME PEOPLE HERE TODAY BECAUSE OF THE STUFF THAT'S HAPPENED IN THEIR FAMILIES, AND I'M NOT MAKING EXCUSES FOR THEM. WE DON'T HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS HERE THAT WE HAD BEFORE, BUT Y'ALL ASK US, HOW MUCH LAND DO YOU OWN? HOW MUCH LAND DO YOU OWN? AND WE ALL HAD TO STAND UP AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE OWN 20 ACRES THERE. AND THE PEOPLE AROUND US, YOU MAY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S GOT AN ACRE, YOU GOT OTHER, YOU GOT 50 ACRES, YOU GOT OTHER PEOPLE THAT MAY HAVE MORE THAN THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE, CAN WE NOT PUT IT IN TO WHERE IT FITS IN? YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ABLE TO DO IT BEHIND US ON 40 ACRES, AND THEY THEY MODIFIED THEIR PLANS TO FIT THAT IN THERE. AND YOU KNOW, IT SO FAR, IT'S LOOKING PRETTY NICE AS FAR AS THAT GOES. BUT IT'S JUST THERE'S TOO MANY HOUSES OUT THERE NOW. AND I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A LOT MORE BECAUSE OF THE HOSPITAL. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN REAL CLOSE PROXIMITY OF THE HOSPITAL NOW. BUT AS FAR AS COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN US AND THEM, THERE HAVE BEEN VERY FEW AS FAR AS THE LANDOWNER AND THAT AND I'M WILLING TO SIT DOWN AND TALK TO THEM. BUT YOU KNOW, MY WHAT I SEE IS I JUST DON'T WANT THAT MANY LOTS OVER THERE. I'LL JUST SAY THAT I DON'T WANT THAT MANY LOTS OVER THERE. AND IF IT COMES TO THAT, THEN THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. I KNOW IT'S GOING TO GET DEVELOPED. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT NICE BECAUSE IT'S IT'S UGLY AS HECK RIGHT NOW. I'LL JUST TELL YOU IT'S BAD. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING NICE IF IT'S GOING TO BE PUT IN THERE. AND I REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A MEETING THE VERY FIRST TIME THIS COME OUT WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE BUILDER. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE SAME BUILDER THAT WAS THIS WITH THEM NOW WANTING TO BUILD. AND I AGREE, THEY DO BUILD QUALITY HOUSES. FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, I'VE RODE AROUND AND SEEN SOME OF THEIR HOUSES AND THEY BUILD A QUALITY HOUSE, BUT WE DON'T NEED THAT MANY OF THEM. I DO APPRECIATE THEM WANTING TO PUT QUALITY HOUSES IN THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL STAND WITH I JUST DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT MANY HOUSES IN THERE. OKAY. WE HAD ONE OTHER. FILTER KIT. 7536 LOOPER DRIVE. YES, SIR. BEFORE I GET STARTED, I'D LIKE TO TELL Y'ALL AGAIN. I WAS HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO TELLING YOU THANK YOU TO THE COMMISSION FOR THE ROAD PROJECT YOU'RE DOING OUT ON EASTERN VALLEY ROAD. I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE IT AGAIN. I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WERE HERE, MR. KNIGHT. YEAH, I WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED FOR IT. THE PROJECT CONTINUES. I'M SURE THEY'LL FINISH IT EVENTUALLY, BUT I APPRECIATE IT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I'M HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE OF THE NARROWNESS, WHICH IS A HARD WORD TO SAY OF THE ROAD. EVEN EASTERN VALLEY, WHICH HAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON IT. AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS. THEY CAN ALREADY BUILD 45 HOMES ON THIS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ZONING ALLOWS. THEY'RE ASKING FOR A 40% INCREASE. AND I LOOK AT IT LIKE THIS, THAT IT'S A 40% INCREASE IN THE TRAFFIC UP AND DOWN LOU GEORGE LOOP ROAD. THEY MENTIONED THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH I HAD A COPY OF. THE LADY GAVE ME THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, AND I HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT. THESE THINGS ARE SOMETIMES DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND, BUT UNDER TRIP GENERATION CALLED, I THINK TABLE TWO STATES THAT THERE'S 758 DAILY TRIPS OUT OF THIS 
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DEVELOPMENT. ONCE IT'S FINISHED, 758 DAILY TRIPS ON THAT ROAD. THEY ALSO HAD UNDER FOUR ONE TRAFFIC OPERATIONAL ANALYSIS. THE TRAFFIC GROWTH IN THE AREA. AND THEY USED POCAHONTAS ROAD, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DID, BUT THEY USED IT. AND THAT'S WHERE THE NEW SCHOOL IS, WHICH IS GOING TO GENERATE A LOT OF TRAFFIC STILL DOING IT. AND THAT SCHOOL CONTINUES TO GROW. 
          SO WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS THERE'S GOING TO BE A GREAT DEAL OF TRAFFIC OUT HERE. AND MY MAIN POINT IS THAT I'M HOPING THIS COMMISSION WILL ADOPT AS A POLICY THAT BEFORE NEW SUBDIVISIONS ARE ALLOWED TO INCREASE, NOW THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DEVELOP WHAT THE ZONING ALLOWS. THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. OH, I'M SORRY, THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. BUT WHAT I'M HOPING HAPPENS IS THAT BEFORE WE GET ESPECIALLY IN THE MCCALL AREA, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS THE GROWTH AREA, IN FACT, MANY PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME THAT'S THE ONLY GROWTH, REAL GROWTH AREA IN THE COUNTY AT THIS POINT. WELL, THAT'S NOT TRUE. WELL, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THE LAST TIME I MET YOU. STILL NOT TRUE, SIR. BUT THE HE'S JUST JEALOUS. I UNDERSTAND, BUT STILL WE ARE GROWING ALL OVER THE COUNTY, AND I THINK THE POLICY WOULD APPLY TO ANY OTHER ANY OTHER AREA WHERE THE ROADS ARE SO NARROW AND THEY. OUT ON THAT ROAD, LOU GEORGE LOOP ROAD, YOU GOT TWO CHOICES. YOU GOT ROAD OR DITCH. THERE'S NOT EVEN ANY SHOULDERS. THE THING IS, THE. 
          THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP IS THAT ONE OF THE MAIN POINTS OF ZONING IN THE ENABLING LEGISLATION THAT ALLOWED JEFFERSON COUNTY BACK IN 1947 TO HAVE A ZONING ORDINANCE LISTED IN THAT SOME VERBIAGE THAT GOT TAKEN OUT OF THE JEFFERSON COUNTY ORDINANCE, WHICH IS TO LESSEN CONGESTION ON STREETS. IT'S A PART OF THE ENABLING ACT. SO I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THE LEGISLATURE, WHEN THEY ADOPTED THAT, TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS A PURPOSE OF ZONING. SO AGAIN, I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE GENERATED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT. A 40% INCREASE IN NUMBER OF HOMES. AND, YOU KNOW, I KEEP EMPHASIZING THIS. IT'S NOT THAT YOU'RE DENYING THESE PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT. AND IT'S NOT THAT YOU'RE DENYING THEM THE RIGHT TO PUT HOMES, A NUMBER OF HOMES ON THERE. THEY'VE GOT 45. KENNY JUST MENTIONED THAT THE DEVELOPMENT BEHIND HIM WOULD ALSO ALLOW ONE HOUSE PER ACRE, BUT THEY'VE EVEN DEVELOPED IT FOR LESS THAN THAT. SO MY MAIN CONCERN AND THE REASON I'M HERE, AND THE REASON I'LL BE BACK AGAIN, IF INDEED DEVELOPMENTS WANT TO HAVE MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWED FOR REZONINGS IS THAT I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED FOR THE TRAFFIC FLOW OUT THERE. THE PROJECT THAT'S DONE, I'LL END OUR CLOSES BY TELLING Y'ALL ABOUT THE THE LOCATION OF MY DAUGHTER'S HOME, WHICH IS THERE AT 5980 EASTERN VALLEY ROAD. SHE'S LIVED THERE SINCE 22, SINCE NINE, SINCE 2022, THERE HAS BEEN 14 WRECKS AT THAT PARTICULAR BRIDGE. WE'VE HAD AN SUV TURN OVER AT THAT SECTION. WE'VE HAD THE CREW THAT WAS OUT THERE WORKING ON THE PROJECT, TRYING TO GET THE DITCHES ALL CLEARED OUT SO THEY COULD WIDEN IT. THEY RAN INTO THEM. WE HAD A WRECK WHERE THEY HIT THEIR BULLDOZER. SO THE NARROW ROAD, I THINK, IS A REAL, IF YOU WANT TO SAY IT, TRAFFIC HAZARD, I BELIEVE IT IS. AND UNTIL AT LEAST THE WIDENING OF THE ROAD WITH SHOULDERS, THERE'S NO SHOULDERS. ON EASTERN VALLEY NEAR MY DAUGHTER'S HOUSE. EVERY. IN THAT AREA. I THINK THAT THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE A MAJOR CONCERN. AND A MAJOR PURPOSE OF THIS PARTICULAR COMMISSION TO CONSIDER WHEN THERE'S MORE HOMES BEING ADDED. AND I'LL END IT BY SAYING, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME AND MR. KNIGHT? I AGREE, WE'RE NOT THE ONLY GROWTH AREA. WELL, WHAT, WHAT WHAT DID WE DO FOR YOU ON EASTERN VALLEY ROAD? NOT FOR ME, SIR, FOR THE CITIZENS OF THAT AREA. WELL, THEY'RE DOING A WIDENING OF THE BRIDGE. OKAY. 
          IT'S ACTUALLY I FOUND OUT IT'S CALLED A CULVERT COVER. AND. BUT NOW THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE IT A REAL BRIDGE BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO WIDEN IT 8 OR 9FT WIDE ON EITHER SIDE. I BELIEVE IT IS, BUT IT NEEDS THE WHOLE THE WHOLE AREA NEEDS THE ROAD. MOST OF THE ROADS IN THAT AREA. 
          IN FACT, I CAN'T THINK OF VERY MANY OF THEM THAT AREN'T TWO LANE ROADS. AND MOST OF THE AREAS IN THAT MOST OF THE ROADS IN THAT AREA, AND I'M TALKING TO THE MCCALL AREA, DO NOT HAVE WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER SUFFICIENT SHOULDERS. AND ALMOST ALL OF THEM ALSO HAVE DRAINAGE DITCHES NEXT TO THEM. SO AS I SAID, YOU'VE GOT TWO OPTIONS ROAD OR DITCH. AND WE'VE HAD I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, AS A. I'VE LIVED OUT THERE NOW A LITTLE OVER TEN 
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YEARS. MY DAUGHTER'S BEEN THERE ABOUT 4 TO 5 YEARS NOW. MY SISTER IN LAW IS MOVING UP FROM MONTGOMERY AND I'M LOOKING. IN FACT, I'VE LOOKED AT THAT DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THIS, LOOKING FOR A HOME FOR HER. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS KENNY AND THEM HAVE LIVED OUT THERE ALL THEIR LIFE. I'M TRYING TO GET ESTABLISHED WHERE I CAN LIVE, I LOVE IT, I LOVE THAT AREA, AND I JUST WANT TO SEE IT. SOME CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? YES, MA'AM. APOLOGIZE. YES. COME ON IN AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. AND WHETHER YOU'RE FOR OR AGAINST. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU ALL AGAIN. MY NAME IS CHANEL FLETCHER AND I LIVE AT 4975 MONROE DRIVE. I AM BELOW THIS AREA OF CONCERN. I DO WANT TO JUST SAY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID EARLIER. IT'S EASY TO COME IN AND MAKE NEGATIVE COMMENTS OR SAY THINGS ABOUT THE AREA WHEN YOU DON'T LIVE THERE. ALL THESE PEOPLE REPRESENT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA, SO THEY KNOW THE AREA. THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. THEY'VE HAD ANCESTORS WHO'VE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. SO IT'S EASY TO COME IN AND SAY ABOUT THE BLIGHT, ABOUT THE ROAD CONDITIONS IN WHICH THEY ARE GOOD. WE WANT TO KEEP THEM GOOD, THOUGH. BUT THE ONLY PROBLEM IS NOT THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD. IT'S THE THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD THAT CAUSES THE PROBLEM. BECAUSE WHEN YOU ADD THESE ADDITIONAL CARS IN, YOU DO HAVE ISSUES. YOU GOT LARGER SUVS NOW, AND IT DOES MAKE IT A PROBLEM WHEN YOU'VE GOT SO MUCH TRAFFIC ON THESE ROADS, ESPECIALLY WITH DITCHES OR TREES ON EITHER SIDE. WHAT I DID WANT TO STATE, AND WE'VE WE'VE STATED IT SO MANY TIMES BEFORE, WE'VE COME BEFORE YOU ALL SO MANY TIMES. I THINK IT'S BEEN OVER THE COURSE OF ABOUT SIX YEARS WHEN ALL THIS THESE PROJECTS STARTED TO TRY TO DEVELOP. IT'S A UNIQUE AREA. IT'S NOT A VAST AREA. IT'S A UNIQUE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE SPEAKING OF AN AREA. WHEN I SAY HERE, I'M I'M HERE, I'M AT THE BOTTOM OF IT. AND YOU GOT HERE. THIS IS A THREE MILE STRETCH, THREE MILE STRETCH OF ROAD. THE BOTTOM OF IT WHERE I LIVE, IT RUNS INTO THE BACK OF THE APPALACHIAN MOUNTAINS. OKAY, SO WE'RE AT THE BACK. OKAY. BEHIND US IS A STRETCH OF SHADES CREEK, WHICH COMES OFF THE CAHAWBA. SO YOU GOT A BIG WATERWAY THAT RUNS BEHIND IT THAT FEEDS ALL THESE LITTLE BLUE AREAS THAT YOU SPEAK OF. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF UNDER UNDERGROUND WELLS IN THAT AREA, AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE SO MANY DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. AND I'M NOT SURE IF ANYONE IS AWARE, BUT THE CITIZENS HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO BUILD A HOSPITAL TO SAY THERE ARE A LOT OF UNDERGROUND WELLS, AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A LOT OF AREAS THAT DON'T DRAIN, ESPECIALLY THE ISSUE BY THE HOSPITAL WHERE YOU TRY TO DRAIN THIS POND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND IT NEVER WOULD DRAIN. STILL NOT DRAINED TO THIS DAY. BUT AGAIN, I'M AT THE BACK OF THIS AREA. THE AREA IS AGAIN BORDERED BY THE SHADES CREEK, WHICH HAS THE GIRL SCOUT CAMP RIGHT NEXT TO IT, WHICH IS HOME TO KIDS ALL YEAR ROUND FOR DIFFERENT EVENTS. 
          IT'S A 300 ACRE CAMP THAT'S DOWN THERE AS WELL. AT THE VERY TOP OF THIS THREE MILE ROAD. IT ENDS AT THE HOSPITAL. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, THIS, THIS AREA MAYBE ABOUT A MILE MY A MILE WIDE THAT WE'RE SO CONCERNED WITH. AGAIN, IT'S IT'S UNIQUE BECAUSE OF THE WATERWAY. IT'S UNIQUE BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS BIG, BEAUTIFUL GIRL SCOUT CAMP THAT'S DOWN THERE OR CAMP FOR KIDS THAT'S DOWN THERE THAT RUNS YOUR, YOUR WIDE WITH HUNDREDS OF KIDS, IT'S UNIQUE BECAUSE IT'S A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE. IT'S A PLACE OF SERENITY WHERE YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME TO RETIRE. AND I WAS THE ONE WHO DID BRING UP THE ISSUE WITH THE ACRES. AND I DID HAVE SEVERAL OF OUR RESIDENTS STAND UP WHO HAVE ACREAGE DOWN THERE WHO'VE BEEN DOWN THERE. THEIR PARENTS HAVE BEEN DOWN THERE. WE HAVE TEN ACRES. MY PARENTS MOVED DOWN THERE TO RETIRE. THEY HAVE 40 ACRES. MY NEIGHBORS NEXT TO THEM HAVE 50. THE NEIGHBORS AT THE END OF THAT STREET HAVE 50. THEY HAVE HOMES IN EXCESS OF 800, $900,000 THAT THEY BUILT TO RETIRE TO THIS AREA. ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN THAT WAS HERE BEFORE MR. GREEN WAS A PIONEER WITH THIS GROUP. HE PASSED LAST YEAR, FIGHTING. EVERY TIME HE PASSED, HE MOVED TO NEW YORK. 
          HE RETIRED AND MOVED BACK TO THAT AREA. BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE AREA. HAD A $900,000 HOME BUILT. AND HE'S BEEN FIGHTING THESE SUBDIVISIONS EVER SINCE. HIS HOME IS A LITTLE BIT DOWN. LOU GEORGE LOOP THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS SUBDIVISION. 
          HIS WIFE STILL RESIDES THERE. BUT AGAIN, WE ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THIS 
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AREA. WE KNOW THAT GROWTH IS GOING TO COME. WE KNOW THAT. BUT SOME PLACES TO ME, YOU THEY NEED PRESERVING. THEY NEED PRESERVING BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THESE AREAS. I THINK THE MCMURRAYS ARE PRETTY MUCH TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM JUST BECAUSE THEY KNOW DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO COME, BUT THEY REALLY DON'T WANT IT, BUT THEY'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM. AND THAT'S WHAT WE STATED BEFORE TOO. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BRING SOMETHING TO THE AREA, AT LEAST LET IT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA. WE HAVE SEVERAL SUBDIVISIONS UP ABOVE THAT THAT HAVE HOMES THAT ARE ON LESS THAN AN ACRE, AND IT'S SO CROWDED, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. IF YOU GET UP TO THAT HOSPITAL AT A CERTAIN TIME OF THE DAY, YOU MAY AS WELL JUST SIT THERE AND AND WATCH TV BECAUSE IT'S SO CROWDED TRYING TO GET OUT OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA. THE NEXT ROAD OVER WHICH PARALLELS TO IT IS POCAHONTAS, AND THERE IS A TRAFFIC CIRCLE, AND THAT HELPS ON THAT ROAD. BUT LOU GEORGE LOOP, WHERE YOU HAVE TIMBERLY SUBDIVISION ALREADY OVER HERE, WHICH HAS NOW EXTENDED ITS ITS RESIDENTS, THEN YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT THIS SUBDIVISION. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, YOU HAVE THE HUGE ONE, WHICH IS IS IT MCCULLOUGH TRACE. 
          AND NOW THAT ONE HAS AN EXTENSION, IT'S BEEN GRANTED MORE HOMES OVER THERE. AGAIN, Y'ALL, ON THIS THREE MILE STRETCH OF. SO AGAIN, LIKE MR. TRINKET WAS SAYING, WE JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THERE IS ANY WAY THAT WE CAN PUT A HALT OR SUSPEND A HOLD OR WHATEVER IT IS ON SUBDIVISIONS, ADDITIONAL SUBDIVISIONS IN THIS AREA UNTIL WE CAN GET POSSIBLY THE ROADS WIDENED OR THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE, OR JUST PEOPLE DOING MORE STUDIES BEFORE WE OVERCROWD THIS AREA. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS ONCE IT'S OVERCROWDED, THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO BACK OUT OF THAT. WE WANT TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM BEFORE IT GETS TO THAT POINT. 
          AND AGAIN, I REALLY DON'T WANT THE ADDITIONAL SUBDIVISIONS BECAUSE IT DOES CREATE PROBLEMS. BUT IF THERE ARE TO BE SUBDIVISIONS, WE DO WANT IT CONSISTENT WITH THE HOMES THAT ARE ALREADY DOWN THERE TO KEEP OUR PROPERTY VALUE IN PLACE. WE'VE WORKED HARD FOR IT. AND, AND I THINK WE DESERVE IT. AND I'M ASKING TODAY, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HALT THESE THINGS, THESE THESE SUBDIVISIONS HAVE NOT BEEN DENIED FOR NO REASON. AND WE KEEP GOING ROUND AND ROUND AND ROUND, AND WE MAKE THE SAME STATEMENTS, Y'ALL, EVERY TIME WE COME UP, THE INTEGRITY OF THE LAND, THE WIDENING OF THE ROADS AND THE INCREASED TRAFFIC, THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS IN THIS AREA. SO I AM HOPING THAT YOU ALL WOULD DENY THIS REZONING AND CONSIDER A WAY FOR US TO PUT A SUSPENSION HALT OR WHATEVER IT IS UNTIL WE CAN GET MORE BETTER INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS AREA. THANK YOU MA'AM, THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? YES, MA'AM. SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CHARACTERIZE. THAT WAS AN AGAINST. OKAY. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. AND IN YOUR HOW CLOSE YOU ARE TO THIS PROPERTY. I'M ACTUALLY I'M A I OWN THREE, THREE DIFFERENT AREAS IN HERE, MAYBE FOUR, 7500 LOU GEORGE LOOP ON 74, 94 AND 7474 LOU GEORGE LOOP. AND I ALSO OWN AN ACRE ON MEGGISON DRIVE, WHICH IS THE LAST SUBDIVISION YOU GUYS APPROVED OF IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY PROPERTY AND IN THE BACK OF MY PROPERTY. LIKE WE SAID BEFORE, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. IT MAKES IT MAKES IT GREAT FOR US. 
          WHAT'S YOUR BRINGS UP OUR PROPERTY VALUE? YOU. I NEED YOUR NAME. YOU SAID YOUR ADDRESS AND AND WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS? YOU HAD 74947474 700. AND I ALSO OWN AN ACRE ON MEGGISON DRIVE, WHICH IS CONNECTED TO THIS PROPERTY THAT WE'VE OWNED, HAS BEEN IN MY HUSBAND'S FAMILY FOR 40, 50 YEARS. AND USUALLY WHEN THEY BOUGHT PROPERTY OUT THERE, THEY BOUGHT A HUGE AMOUNT LIKE MISS SHAW AND THE PROPERTIES TOO. AND THEN WE DIVIDE IT OUT. AND THIS IS HOW WE ENDED UP WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT. NOW WE KNOW DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND AND AND WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. IT'S JUST THE PACE THAT IT'S HAPPENING. WE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR AREA. WE HAVE NEW BUSINESSES COMING IN. WE HAVE NEW GAS STATIONS COMING IN, WE HAVE NEW HOSPITALS COMING IN, WE HAVE NEW SUBDIVISIONS COMING IN, AND WE ARE JUST GETTING WRAPPED UP. LIKE SHE SAID, 
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TRYING TO GET OUT OF LOU GEORGE LOU. I HAVE NOW ENDED UP GOING DOWN TO MORGAN ROAD TO GET OUT OR I HAVE TO GO. I CAN'T GO DOWN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IN FRONT OF THE HOSPITAL. I HAVE TO GO THROUGH. CROSSED DOWN POCAHONTAS, GO THROUGH PUBLIX SUBDIVISION TO GET ON THE INTERSTATE ON THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH THE TRAFFIC REPORT WILL SHOW THAT INTERSTATE RIGHT THERE WHERE ALL THE GAS STATION IS GOING TO PUBLIX AND IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL MCADOREY SCHOOL. 
          THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON THERE ALL THE TIME. MY SON HAS ACTUALLY HAD TWO ACCIDENTS IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, AND NONE OF THEM HAS BEEN HIS FAULT. IT'S BEEN TRYING TO MERGE. ON COMING OUT FROM HIS SCHOOL JUST TO GET OUT OF THE PARKING LOT. I KNOW THIS GENTLEMAN HAD SPOKEN IN IN FOR AARON SIZEMORE SAYING THAT HE WAS FOR IT, WHICH HE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LOOP, WHICH WILL BE RIGHT NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY. AND IT'S FUNNY THAT HE SAID THAT BECAUSE AARON IS PART OF MY FAMILY, AND I HAVE A TEXT FROM HIM FROM THE NIGHT BEFORE LAST, HE CANNOT BE HERE BECAUSE HE OWNS A COMPANY, SHEPHERD ELECTRIC, AND HE'S BEEN HERE EVERY TIME. BUT HE COULDN'T DO IT. HE HAD A JOB TO DO, BUT HE SENT ME A TEXT ON HIS FEELINGS BECAUSE I WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE OUR LAST MEETING. SO I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE SHOWING HERE. 
          LOOKED LIKE PRETTY MUCH WHAT THEY WERE SHOWING THE LAST TIME. SO I SAID, SINCE I WASN'T HERE, PLEASE FILL ME IN ON WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BECAUSE OF YOU GUYS. NOT AT LAST TIME. WHAT IS THE BIG DIFFERENCE ON WHY THEY'RE BRINGING IT TO THE PLATE THIS TIME? IF EVERYBODY DISAPPROVED IT LAST TIME, AND BASICALLY HIS TEXT, AND IF YOU'LL LET ME READ IT, SINCE HE HAD SPOKEN HIS BEHALF, AND I CAN SHOW YOU THE COPY OF THE TEXT IF YOU LIKE, OR SHOW IT TO YOU. BUT IF YOU WOULD ALLOW ME TO READ IT, IS THAT OKAY? YES, MA'AM. THEN WE'RE GOING TO WIND IT UP. OKAY. LET THIS BE THE LAST. THIS APPLICATION WAS DENIED LAST YEAR BASED ON THE COUNTY'S UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DEVELOPMENT WAS NOT SUITABLE. THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE ROADS BEING INADEQUATE. THE COMMUNITY'S OPPOSITION IS THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AND THE MORATORIUM COMING THAT WILL PROTECT THE FEEL OF THE COMMUNITY. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SAME ISSUES STILL EXIST, AND I HAVE NOT HAVE NOT BEEN RESOLVED. WE HAVE NO ISSUE WITH DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING. THIS APPLICATION SHOULD NOT BE DENIED, JUST AS IT IS, AS IT SHOULD BE DENIED, JUST AS IT HAS WAS LAST YEAR FOR THE SAME REASONS IT WAS DENIED LAST YEAR. NO PUSH THROUGH BECAUSE THE APPLICANTS WORE DOWN THE COMMUNITY OVER TIME, WITH THE HEARING THAT MOST PEOPLE CAN'T POSSIBLY ATTEND AT ALL THE TIME. SO THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT. YOU KNOW, LIKE WE SAID, WE'RE FOR DEVELOPMENT. WE JUST WISH THAT YOU GUYS WOULD PLEASE CONSIDER PUMPING THE BRAKES ON SOME OF THIS. FOR US THAT'S BEEN LIVING OUT THERE. I'VE BEEN OUT THERE 35 YEARS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THIS IS INVOLVING NOTHING. WELL, I MEAN, I JUST LIKE TO REFUTE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID. I GUESS FIRST AND FOREMOST, MR. KENNY BASICALLY INFERRED THAT I LIED ABOUT NOT WANTING ANYTHING. MISS BEVERLY, WHO TOLD ME THAT STANDING ON HER FRONT PORCH AFTER WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO TO, TO MAKE THIS APPEASING TO HER, AND SHE SAID, I DON'T WANT IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. AND I DIDN'T. WHAT'S THAT? SHE SAID, WELL, I DIDN'T SAY IT. THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID. YEAH. YOU NEED, YOU NEED TO TURN AROUND AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND MAKE YOUR POINT. AND THEN AS SPEAKER, I APOLOGIZE FOR SPEAKING TO MR. MCMURRAY. EXCUSE ME, MR. SIZEMORE. WE HAVE A SIGNED AGREEMENT WITH HIM WANTING TO BUY THE ESTATE, LOT NUMBER THREE ON THE SIDE AND AGREEING TO A BUFFER THAT HE SIGNED. SO I JUST NATURALLY ASSUME THAT THAT MEANS HE'S FOR IT. THAT'S. AND PERHAPS THAT'S AN OVERSTEP ON MY MY PART. ALSO CONTINUING ON, NO, PRESERVING THE AREA. I MEAN, THERE'S LITERALLY CAMP FLETCHER IS A PRESERVE JUST JUST BELOW HERE. IT'S NOT ON THE MAP. THERE'S THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PROPERTY. WHEN YOU START GETTING DOWN INTO THE SHADES CREST WATERSHED DOWN THERE, SHADES CREEK WATERSHED, THERE'S GOING TO BE PROPERTY THAT'S NOT NEVER GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO START GETTING INTO FURTHER. THAT'S IN THE FLOOD ZONE, WHICH YOU NEED TO GO IN AND MAKE YOUR POINT. NOW WE WE'VE BEEN DON'T WANT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE, SIR. I'VE HAD VERY LITTLE TIME TO SPEAK. AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE, 
          [01:30:01]
THEY ONLY ONE PERSON SIGNED UP ON THE SHEET AND ALL THESE OTHER ONES HAVE COME IN. MISTER, MISTER TURCOTT SPOKE OF THE 45 ACRES, 45 HOUSES WE'RE PROPOSING, 63, THREE OF WHICH WOULD BE ESTATE LOTS. BUT YOU STILL TALKING ABOUT A NET DIFFERENCE? YOU SAID 40%, BUT THAT'S ONLY REPRESENTS 18 HOUSES. THAT'S THAT'S NOT A LOT IN MY VIEW. BUT YEAH, THIS THIS IS MCCULLOUGH IS A TARGETED GROWTH AREA FOR JEFFERSON COUNTY ALONG WITH GRACEVILLE, I THINK ADAMSVILLE OR GREATER TRUSTFUL. THERE'S A THERE'S A STATED NEED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING FROM THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION. AND THE COUNTY HAS STATED THAT PUBLICLY. SO WE'RE JUST PROVIDING A NEED THAT IS IS ALREADY BEEN STATED AS NEEDED OUT THERE. I'M I'M LOOKING OVER MY NOTES, JUST TRYING TO COVER EVERYTHING. I DO COMMEND MISS EVERETT. SHE ACTUALLY DID TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE BLIGHT THAT I DID MENTION BEFORE. ONE OF THE HOUSES WAS ON SOME OF HER PROPERTY OR SOME OF THE PROPERTY SHE ACQUIRED THAT THAT WAS ACTUALLY TORN DOWN AND REPLACED WITH WITH SOME AIRSTREAM TRAILERS. BUT IT DOES LOOK A LOT BETTER NOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I CAN ADD. I JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE FOR PASSAGE. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. LET'S DO A ROLL CALL. VOTE IT IT REQUIRES THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES FOR FOR PASSAGE OF ANYTHING THAT DEALS WITH ZONING. COMMISSIONER BOHLEN. YES, COMMISSIONER I COMMISSIONER. YES. COMMISSIONER. 
          TYSON. COMMISSIONER STEPHEN, I'M GOING TO VOTE NO. I'VE ALWAYS VOTED WITH THE CITIZENS. 
          THEY HAVE EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERNS FOR THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. AND I'M I'M GOING TO ALWAYS STICK WITH THEM. SO MY VOTE IS NO ON THIS. WELL, MY CONCERNS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. I THINK I HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE CEMETERY AT ONE TIME. THE THE THE WATER THROUGH THERE, THE DETENTION POND. AND I THINK THERE WAS A REDUCTION IN NUMBERS FROM WHEN WE FIRST STARTED. SO I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. I LIVE IN TRUSSVILLE. WHEN I MOVED THERE, THERE WAS 9500 PEOPLE THERE. THERE'S OVER 28,000. SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATIONS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND AND WHAT IT MEANS, BUT THERE IS A NEED FOR HOUSING. AND THIS THIS IS RECOMMENDED BY OUR ZONING COMMISSION. SO THAT'S WHY I VOTE THAT, MR. PRESIDENT. YES, MA'AM. SINCE WE'RE ON THAT NOTE, THEN LET ME ALSO EXPLAIN THE SAME. THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY. BECAUSE I I'M GOING TO ALWAYS GO WITH THE CITIZENS. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AGAINST THE WALL. MY THING IS THAT THIS HOA AND OUR FRAMEWORK PLAN, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT. WE CAN'T STOP GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT, I EXPECT FOR THOSE TO BE ADHERED TO. I MEAN, LIKE, I DON'T JUST WANT THAT TO BE A CONVERSATION TODAY. I MEAN, THAT WE, WE'RE GOING TO, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMMISSION PUT IN PLACE, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY, LAST YEAR, AM I CORRECT? JOSH, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT THEN? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SUBDIVISIONS AND CREATING A POLICY IN PLACE THAT THAT THESE NEW SUBDIVISIONS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME THINGS IN PLACE. THEN WE DO THAT LAST YEAR, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, THROUGH THE MS4 PROGRAM, WE ARE ACTUALLY RESPONSIBLE ULTIMATELY TO KEEP IT MAINTAINED. AND WHAT WE CAME UP WITH IN OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS A GREAT IDEA. LEGALLY, WE TRANSFER THAT TO THE HOA, SO WE MAKE THEM SET UP THE HOA, FUND IT AND MAINTAIN THE PONDS. IF FOR SOME REASON THEY FAIL AND THEY DON'T KEEP IT UP, ULTIMATELY WE'LL HAVE TO GO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. AND LEGALLY, THAT'S THE THAT'S WHAT WE. WELL, THE REASON WHY I SAID I THOUGHT IT WAS LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF HOME BUILDERS. AND I REMEMBER THAT THEY CAME BEFORE US, BUT THAT KEPT BEING A CONTINUOUS THING ABOUT THE FACT THAT. YEAH. SO THAT'S WHY I'M MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ANY TIME I MAKE A VOTE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS EXACTLY WHERE I'M COMING FROM. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE COMMISSION. I CAN SPEAK FOR ME THAT I'M LOOKING FOR, FIRST OF ALL, ENFORCEMENT, LIKE WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT. SO I EXPECT FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT TO DO THEIR PART IN TERMS OF 
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TRAFFIC FLOW. I ALSO, BY THE SAME TOKEN, WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY KNOWS THAT I UNDERSTAND ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND YOU BEING IN A QUIET AREA AND TRYING TO PRESERVE THAT, YOU KNOW, 50 ACRES IS A LOT. 40 ACRES IS A LOT, I UNDERSTAND IT. BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT, I EXPECT FOR THOSE HOMES TO DO PROPERLY. SO, SIR, YOU REPRESENT THE TRUST AS IT RELATES TO THE ORGANIZATION AND THAT ORGANIZATION, THE ENTITY THEN THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE COMMUNICATED. AND I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE MR. MARKER FOR YOU TO HAVE STAFF THAT ALL OF MR. MCMURRAY AND THOSE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TODAY, IN TERMS OF WHAT YOUR FINDINGS ARE, THAT THERE BE A LINE OF COMMUNICATION BETWEEN US AND THE PUBLIC. SO THEY KNOW THAT THE COUNTY IS TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT THAT WE APPROVE. 
          WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ADHERENCES THAT WE PUT IN PLACE, THAT THEY THAT THEY ARE, THAT THEY'RE EXECUTED LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO. YEAH, THIS, THIS, THIS GOT TO WORK FOR EVERYBODY. 
          YEAH, YEAH. BECAUSE GROWTH, YOU CAN'T STOP IT. I AGREE, BUT YOU CAN'T REGULATE IT. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SIR. CAN I SAY ONE THING BECAUSE I APPARENTLY I'M THE ONLY ONE. NO, NO HOLD ON. 
          YOU CAN'T COME UP. PUBLIC HEARING IS OVER. NOW. YOU CAN COME UP AND SPEAK. NOW. 
          APPARENTLY, AT ANOTHER TIME I HAD TO LEAVE THE AREA BECAUSE I COULDN'T GET TO WORK. HE'S TOLD BLATANT LIES. EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING. YOU MISSED YOU. YOU MISSED THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I KNOW I TRIED TO GET YOUR ATTENTION, BUT I WAS IGNORED. SO. ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER? COMMISSIONERS, YOU HAVE 30, 56 RESOLUTIONS PRESENTED THAT WERE 
          [VIII. RESOLUTIONS 1 - 56 ]
PROPERLY VETTED. AND IN TUESDAY'S MEETING, IS THERE ANY THAT A PARTICULAR COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO SET ASIDE FOR SEPARATE CONSIDERATION? I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO 36 MYSELF. SO IF YOU WILL MOVE ITEMS ONE THROUGH 56, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM 36, WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          HAVE A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE AYE. NUMBER 36. CAL. THIS NEEDS CLARIFICATION. 
          IT'S A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING A CONTRACT RENEWAL FOR ONE YEAR BETWEEN JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION AND ROTOLO CONSULTANTS, AND THE AMOUNT OF $1,315,241.50 FOR LANDSCAPING, MAINTENANCE, MOWING, PRUNING AND TRASH PICKUP IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS IN ALDOT RIGHT OF WAY, THIS WAS. THIS BEGAN ON THE GATEWAYS PROJECT FOR. THE WORLD GAMES AND FOR SOME REASON, YOU KNOW, WORLD GAMES HAVE COME AND GONE AND THESE INTERCHANGES MOST RESIDE IN IN THE CITY OF BIRMINGHAM OR IN MOUNTAIN BROOK OR HOMEWOOD. AND THE COUNTY IS IS UTILIZING ITS TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR SOMETHING NOW THAT HAS COME AND GONE. AND I, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. I HAVEN'T SPOKEN WITH YOU EARLIER. YOU SAID THAT WE NEEDED TO TO RENEW THAT AND WE COULD USE OUR 90 DAY CLAUSE TO CANCEL THAT CONTRACT WHEN NECESSARY. LET ME JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. OKAY. THE CITY OF BIRMINGHAM HAS JUST PASSED A $615 MILLION BUDGET, AND IT HAS 195 000 PEOPLE. THAT ALLOWS THE CITY OF BIRMINGHAM TO HAVE $3,153.84 PER INDIVIDUAL TO BE ABLE TO SPEND FOR THE UPKEEP OF THE CITY. JEFFERSON COUNTY HAS A BUDGET THAT THEY HAVEN'T PROPOSED YET. THIS IS AN INCREASE. IT'S A $312 MILLION BUDGET, AND WE HAVE 674,721 PEOPLE. WE HAVE $462 PER PERSON TO PUT. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR MONEY AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE DOLLARS ARE SPENT IN AREAS WHERE THEY WILL DO THE MOST GOOD. WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT JUST TO SAY YOU ALL PASSED AN AGREEMENT, AS YOU SAID BACK WHEN THE WORLD GAMES WERE COMING, BUT YOU HAVE A MULTI GROUP AGREEMENT WITH UAB, 
          [01:40:07]
THE CITY OF BIRMINGHAM AND ALDOT. SO THERE'S FOUR ENTITIES PAYING A LITTLE OVER 250 000 EACH. AND TO PICK UP THE LITTER AND MOW THE INTERSTATES, AS THE COMMISSIONER SAID, AS YOU APPROACH AND IN THE CITY OF BIRMINGHAM. AND TO DO THAT, WE WERE THE LEAD ON BIDDING OUT THE CONTRACT. SO THE CONTRACT IS FOR 1.3 MILLION AND THAT IS BASICALLY SPLIT FOUR WAYS. AND I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND WE, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE OTHER THREE ENTITIES. 
          AND THEN THE CONTRACT HAS A 90 DAY NOTICE. IF YOU WANTED TO CANCEL THE CONTRACT, WE WE COULD GO THAT WAY. THE OTHER THREE ENTITIES MAY CHOOSE TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE AND CONTINUE WITH THE CONTRACT. THE. BUT THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE REQUIRES A 90 DAY NOTICE. THAT'S WHY I RECOMMENDED. GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS RENEWAL AND IF YOU WANT TO, WE COULD PROCEED TO EXIT OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE THREE ENTITIES AND DETERMINE ON HOW THEY WANT TO HANDLE THE CONTRACT GOING FORWARD IF WE'RE NOT PARTICIPATING. YEAH. THOSE THOSE WERE CHOSEN AS AS TO BEAUTIFY THE GATEWAYS GOING INTO BIRMINGHAM BECAUSE OF THE WORLD GAMES, WE WERE HAVING PEOPLE THERE ARE NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS, NUMEROUS OTHER INTERCHANGES THROUGHOUT JEFFERSON COUNTY THAT FURNISHED GATEWAYS TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY THAT ARE WAIST HIGH. AND THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINED AND NOT CUT. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE REALLY DO NEED TO LOOK AT THE THE AREAS THAT ARE GATEWAYS TO THE COUNTY. THOSE AREAS. I GIVE YOU ONE EXIT, EXIT ONE EXIT SIX, COURSE EXIT TEN AND EXIT 13 ARE HANDLED BY THE CITY OF HOOVER. AND THEY THEY KEEP THEIRS UP. YOU CAN GO ON UP FOR 59 OR YOU CAN GO UP 59 AND SEE. PLACES THAT REALLY DO NEED TO BE. HAVE THAT UPKEEP. 
          TO JUST TO CHOOSE THOSE PARTICULAR ONES, I THINK IS, IS A DISSERVICE TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE OTHER AREAS OF JEFFERSON COUNTY, AREAS THAT, THAT WE ALL REPRESENT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT WAS MY POINT. NOW I WILL GO AHEAD AND, AND CALL FOR A VOTE. AND I AND I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT'S OUR OBLIGATION TO DO. 
          BUT I WANTED TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. AND IF IF WE DID NOT PARTICIPATE, THAT WOULD GIVE THE THE COMMISSIONERS, WHAT WOULD 500 $0 PER DISTRICT DO AS FAR AS PICKING UP TRASH AND ON THE SIDES OF THE ROAD, AREN'T THEY IN LIPSCOMB OR BRIGHTON OR OR MIDFIELD OR OR BESSEMER OR MCCALLA? PINSON, ALL OF THESE AREAS THAT THEY'RE THEY THEY NEED THEY NEED THAT DONE. AND WE'RE DOING THEM A DISSERVICE BY CHOOSING ONE AREA OVER THE OTHER. BUT BUT DON'T THIS RIGHT HERE COVER THE WHOLE JEFFERSON COUNTY? NO, WITH ALL OF THE OTHER. IT DOESN'T. IT BASICALLY, IF YOU'RE COMING UP I-65, I BELIEVE BEFORE YOU GET TO WHAT WE USED TO CALL MALFUNCTION JUNCTION, IT COVERS LITTER, PICK UP AND MOWING OF THAT INTERCHANGE MALFUNCTION JUNCTION, THE NEXT INTERCHANGE GOING NORTH, THE NEXT INTERCHANGE GOING WEST, AND THEN THE INTERCHANGES ALONG 2059 ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE AIRPORT, AND THEN SOME OF HIGHWAY 280 DOWN TO JUST BETWEEN WHERE HOLLYWOOD BEFORE YOU GET TO THE HOLLYWOOD, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN EXPAND IT TO WHERE IT CAN COVER THAT. BUT THOSE AREAS YOU JUST NAMED YOU ARE IN MY DISTRICT, SO I WANT MINE COVERED TOO. SO NOT TO COVER MINE TO COVER THEIRS. SO THAT'S JUST LIKE 6 IN 1 HAND AND A HALF A DOZEN IN OTHER. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LEAVE MINE OUT? NEITHER? YEAH, THAT'S TOTALLY WHAT I SAID, WASN'T IT? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU SAID, BUT I KNOW WHAT I SAID. IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. IT'S ONE WE NEED TO LOOK AT. OKAY, THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE AN AGREEMENT WITH ALDI. AND SOMETIMES INDIVIDUAL CITIES WILL HAVE AN AGREEMENT. THEY PAY EXTRA BECAUSE ALLIED MOSS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BIG TRACTORS ONCE EVERY FOUR MONTHS. AND THIS CONTRACT MOWS ABOUT EVERY 
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TWO WEEKS AND PICKS UP THE LITTER. SO NOT SOMETHING WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO. AND IF YOU ALL CHOOSE, YOU KNOW, LET ME KNOW. WE'LL APPROACH THE OTHER PARTNERS AND ADVISE THEM THAT YOU'LL BE CONSIDERING TRYING TO EXIT THE PROGRAM AND GIVE THEM TIME TO DO IT CORRECTLY. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER 29 WAS TRANSFERRED FROM A A RESOLUTION ITEM TO A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM. SO WE NEED TO DESIGNATE. I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW. MR. PRESIDENT, MY MOTION FROM EARLIER. WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THIS ITEM NOW THAT'S BEFORE US. AND THEN WHAT I CAN DO IS RESTATE MY MOTION WITH REGARDS TO MOVING ITEMS ONE THROUGH 56 WITH A SEPARATE CONSIDERATION FOR ITEMS 29 AND 36. OKAY, SO SINCE WE GOT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW FOR ANOTHER 29 HAS BEEN VOTED ON, ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON, I GET IT, BUT I'M SAYING STILL I HAVE TO RESTATE MY ORIGINAL MOTION, WHICH IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THAT I MOVED IT AND THAT'S WHY WE WE'RE ON TO THIS ITEM WE'RE ON RIGHT NOW. SO YOU WOULD MAKE YOUR MOTION EXCLUDING ITEM 29. YEAH. BUT ALSO. 136 WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE WE ARE, WE'RE DEALING THAT NOW. 
          OKAY. SO YOU SAYING SEPARATE CONSIDERATION FOR WHEN YOU RESTATE YOUR MOTION FOR ITEMS ONE THROUGH WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS EXCLUDING 29 AND 36, WHICH WOULD HELP. YEAH, I JUST SAID THAT. AND YOU'RE SAYING NO. AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SECOND TO THAT MOTION. SHE JUST SAID YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, I'M VERY ARTICULATE. I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. I SAID TO MOVE TO HOLD ON, MR. PRESIDENT, BECAUSE I SPEAK FOR ME, MOVE ITEMS ONE THROUGH 56 WITH SEPARATE CONSIDERATION FOR ITEMS 29 AND 36. AND THEN WHAT I SAID WE HAVE A MOTION. I HAVE IT FOR THE RECORD. ALL RIGHT. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE HAVE NUMBER 30. NUMBER 29 HAS ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED. YEAH. SO SO WE'RE GOOD WITH IT. ITEM NUMBER 36. WE IT'S BEEN MOVED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. WE WILL LOOK AT IT IN BETTER DETAIL LATER ON. COMMISSIONER. WE HAVE ONE ITEM 
          [XIV. NEW BUSINESS FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT AND CONSIDERATION ]
OF NEW BUSINESS MOVE FOR ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS. WE APPROVED 36. WE DID APPROVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE ONE ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS WHICH JEFFERSON COUNTY COMMISSION THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS AUTHORIZED TO ACT ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION AND THE SETTLEMENT OF NEGOTIATION OF CASE ZERO ONE CV 2026. KEEP SAYING THE ORDER NUMBER 901967. THAT'S RIGHT. SO DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL? VOTE FOR THAT. MR. PRESIDENT, WE DO. ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS. ONE ITEM OF NEW BUSINESS. ALL RIGHT. ON ROLL CALL VOTE COMMISSIONER. YES, COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER. YES, COMMISSIONER. YES. MOVE THE ITEM. ITEM. BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? COUNTY MANAGER. ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR. I JUST 
          [XV.  COMMENTS ]
WANT TO THANK I.T. DEPARTMENT FOR ALL THE WORK THEY'VE DONE ON OUR SECURITY SYSTEM, WHICH HELPED US IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WITH OUR INSURANCE FOR CYBER SECURITY. VERY GOOD WORK. 
          NOW, YOU DO HAVE ONE OTHER THING THAT I TEXTED YOU LAST NIGHT. WHAT WOULD THAT BE? OH, WE HAD A CITIZEN WHO WENT TO THE HOOVER SATELLITE COURTHOUSE TO GET A CAR TAG, AND SCOTT AND THE REVENUE DEPARTMENT AND ANGELA HAD WORKED ON INSTALLING THESE. I FORGOT WHAT YOU CALL THEM, BUT IT'S A KIOSK, A KIOSK, YOU CAN PUT IT IN AND IT PRINTS OUT YOUR CAR TAG STICKER. SO A CITIZEN JUST LET YOU KNOW. IT TOOK THEM ABOUT THREE MINUTES TO GO AND GET THEIR CAR TAG. 
          AND THEY THANKED Y'ALL FOR, FOR ALLOWING US TO DO THAT. AND NOW THAT THAT ONE'S WORKING AND WE GOT THE KINKS WORKED OUT, WE'RE GOING TO BE INSTALLING THEM IN MORE PLACES. SO GOOD JOB, ANGELA AND SCOTT. WE'RE MOVING UP WITH THE TIMES. WELL, WE LOOKED AT THAT YEARS AGO, WANTED TO STAY IN THE STORE DAYS WHEN WE WHEN WE WERE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THE CLOSURE OF THE SATELLITE COURTHOUSES. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. I DON'T THINK THE TECHNOLOGY WAS QUITE UP TO SPEED AT THAT TIME, BUT I WAS WE WENT UP TO THIS PARTICULAR CONSTITUENT SAID IT TOOK THREE MINUTES TO GET THAT DONE, AND THEY WERE ASTONISHED AND 
          [01:50:01]
SHOCKED THAT THE COUNTY WAS THAT EFFICIENT. AND I GOT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I. AND THEY SAID, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE SHOCKED THAT THAT THAT YOU'VE COME SO FAR AND I, I WANT TO THANK THE REVENUE. I WANT TO THANK THE COUNTY MANAGER AND HIS OFFICE AND STAFF AND AND THE COMMISSION FOR HAVING THE FORESIGHT TO, TO GET THAT DONE AND TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THE COUNTY FORWARD. THAT'S GREAT. GREAT NEWS. COUNTY ATTORNEY, ANYTHING ELSE? JUST KUDOS TO IT. 
          IT'S AMAZING. WE WERE TALKING TO OUR INSURANCE FOLKS, AND NORMALLY THEY WANT TO TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT THEIR FOLKS CAN DO. I THINK THEY MAY BE CALLING US NOW. YEAH, THAT'S GREAT NEWS. 
          GREAT NEWS. ANY COMMISSIONERS I WANT TO ANNOUNCE WILLIE JAMES MAY FUNERAL IS TUESDAY AT. 
          GREATER NO. SHILOH BAPTIST CHURCH NEXT TO ARRINGTON MIDDLE SCHOOL AT 11 A.M. ON THE 14TH. 
          THAT'S NEXT TUESDAY. OKAY. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BIDS. YOU GOT SOMETHING? NO. I JUST WANT TO THANK AGAIN OUR. DITTO WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THANKING STAFF FOR ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU ALL DO. YOU'RE THE WIND BENEATH MY WINGS. AND I WANT TO JUST SAY THAT AGAIN. 
          HOW MUCH WE REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL DO TO HELP US TO BE THE BEST VERSION OF WHAT JEFFERSON COUNTY SHOULD REPRESENT. ALSO WANT TO SAY AGAIN, HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY AND AND THE FACT WE ARE 250 YEARS, OF COURSE, IN THIS COUNTRY. BUT I DO WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR THAT TOO. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, LET ME JUST SAY THIS. WE ARE HAVING SOME VERY HOT DAYS. AND AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR WORKING DURING THOSE HOT DAYS AND WHATEVER WE CAN DO AS A COUNTY IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HELP PERSONS WHO CANNOT HELP THEMSELVES DURING THIS VERY HOT CLIMATE, HOPEFULLY WE CAN FIGURE OUT WAYS THAT WE CAN DO AND THEN HAVE HELEN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT IT OUT THERE AS IT RELATES TO THE COUNTY. I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE THINK AS THE COUNTY, WE'RE JUST SO FAR REMOVED AWAY FROM NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE THINGS, AND WE'RE NOT. AND I THINK THAT OUR STORY HAS TO GET OUT MORE, WHICH IS WHY, HELEN, YOU KEEP HEARING ME SAY YOUR NAME, BUT I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO DO SOME THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THOSE WHO CANNOT HELP THEMSELVES AND SO APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION AND THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KNIGHT. THE LAST 3 OR 4 WEEKS. AS YOU KNOW, OUR PRIEST DOES HIS HOMILY, BUT AT THE END OF THE SERVICES, AND HE IS HIS NAME IS FATHER GERALD HOLLOWAY. AND FOR YEARS HE WAS THE CHAPLAIN FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF ALABAMA FOOTBALL TEAM. MANY YEARS, GREAT GUY. AND SO AT THE END OF THE SERVICE, BEFORE EVERYBODY LEAVES, HE'S ASKED. HE REQUESTS ONE THING FROM US ALL, AND WE ALL HAVE TO ANSWER BECAUSE HE SAID, WHAT IS THAT THING I'M REQUESTING? AND WE ALL HAVE TO SAY HYDRATE BECAUSE IT'S SO HOT. SO THAT'S HYDRATE, FOLKS. IT'S HOT. YOU GOOD?
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.